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WILLIAMS5232 wrote: as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
tbh I only really cared about the one you posted, given the OP was a fictional story in the first place.mookiemcgee wrote:I'm glad to hear you agree neither case is about race, perhaps I had mistakenly understood you felt the little girls case was about race.mrswdk wrote:So we agree. Don't know why you had to make that so difficult.mookiemcgee wrote:My personal feeling is that... neither one is truly about race. The first is about a young girl who lied, the second is about a cop who shot a man in his own home.
My posts have mainly been directed towards the always inflammatory OP.
( geez again..... anyone ever wonder if that Thornthot guy is just sitting back somewhere reading how every thinks i am him and laughing at how severely he mentally scarred this entire website to the point they will never forget him & accuse others of being him... the brain damage & emotional scars he inflicted are definitely permanent... )mrswdk wrote:tbh I only really cared about the one you posted, given the OP was a fictional story in the first place.mookiemcgee wrote:I'm glad to hear you agree neither case is about race, perhaps I had mistakenly understood you felt the little girls case was about race.mrswdk wrote:So we agree. Don't know why you had to make that so difficult.mookiemcgee wrote:My personal feeling is that... neither one is truly about race. The first is about a young girl who lied, the second is about a cop who shot a man in his own home.
My posts have mainly been directed towards the always inflammatory OP.
Although I think we have all learned not to expect anything more from ThorPatriot.

In the first story the grandmother of the girl calls the (fake) assailants “3 white boys”... and the girl in her fake story claims that called her hair “nappy”.mookiemcgee wrote:The point here isn't about my personal assumptions about either story, I'm just suggesting if the OP calling the first story a "Hate Hoax", then the second story I presented must be a 'Hate Crime'. That or both stories really have little to do with race and the media hasn't shown any bias, and they are both just tragic stories of people making mistakes.mrswdk wrote:Yes, you have to make a very big assumption because there is nothing at all in the chain of events reported that suggests the shooter would have treated a white man different in those same circumstances. What grounds do you have for saying 'if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily'?mookiemcgee wrote:You have to make similar assumptions in either story about someones state of mind and intent in order to make them about race.
My personal feeling(and I provide this with no facts, just opinion) is that both stories have racial elements to them, but neither one is truly about race. The first is about a young girl who lied, the second is about a cop who shot a man in his own home.
He’s right.NomadPatriot wrote:the difference is 1 actually happened -> the white cop walked into the wrong apartment and shot someone.. who just happened to be black.. the officer didn't chose for the victim to be black.. he just was..
the other was an intentional fabricated lie a black girl created involving 3 white kids..
she could have easily said 3 black kids, 3 Latino kids.. a mixed group of 1 white kid , a black kid & an Asian... or just not even mentioned race at all.. she could have said it was 2 Emo's & a Transgender... she was free to make up whatever she wanted too..
but she chose to say it was specifically 3 white kids.. making it about Race... & not about anything else
She said that they said she had nappy hair. In her fake story she’s claiming the attack was if not racially motivated at least racial on some level.mookiemcgee wrote:Just more projecting on your part Nomad. Fake or not, you are the one making it about race. The black girl did not make up a lie saying they did it because they hated black girls, or they called her the N word. She just said they cut her hair. You are the one projecting race into this.
jimboston wrote:He’s right.NomadPatriot wrote:the difference is 1 actually happened -> the white cop walked into the wrong apartment and shot someone.. who just happened to be black.. the officer didn't chose for the victim to be black.. he just was..
the other was an intentional fabricated lie a black girl created involving 3 white kids..
she could have easily said 3 black kids, 3 Latino kids.. a mixed group of 1 white kid , a black kid & an Asian... or just not even mentioned race at all.. she could have said it was 2 Emo's & a Transgender... she was free to make up whatever she wanted too..
but she chose to say it was specifically 3 white kids.. making it about Race... & not about anything else
When he’s right. you gotta admit it... even if he’s an ass.
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?jimboston wrote:There’s absolutely no way. of knowing how she would react to a man of a different color. Any man ‘invading your apartment’ would be a threat, no?mookiemcgee wrote:Do you feel the same way about the OP story? The girl at school who lied? The article also goes out of its way to point out race of both parties, and nothing in the story itself implies race was a motivating factor (also I agree with Duk, if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily)mrswdk wrote:i.e. they showed no details that indicated the police officer treated the victim how she did due to his ethnicityDukasaur wrote:I don't know if it the case. I've only read a handful of newspaper reports and they showed as little detail as the one that was posted.mrswdk wrote:I think that is speculation and it's pretty unfair to suppose that about her in the absence of any evidence suggesting she would have treated a white man differently.
So, maybe, maybe not. Yes it's speculation, but very plausible.
That said... she probably should have asked a question or two first.
Unless she has a documented history or racist actions or remarks, it;s unfair to make this assumption.
She got convicted and is going to jail.
This case is completely unrelated in any way to the girl falsely accusing schoolmates of cutting her hair.
no where in that article you linked is there a single racist tweet..degaston wrote:
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
HyPoThEtIcAlS!!degaston wrote:And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
Actually, the article title was about offensive texts, not tweets. For some reason, she apparently didn't want to shout these statements to the whole world. So what exactly do you think was considered offensive about those texts, and who do you think would be offended by them?NomadPatriot wrote:no where in that article you linked is there a single racist tweet..degaston wrote:
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
so what are you talking about..
it's CNN.. and even they titled the article "Offensive Tweets" not 'racist tweets'..
Offensive & Racist are 2 completely different things..
why are you inserting words into what she wrote....?degaston wrote:Actually, the article title was about offensive texts, not tweets. For some reason, she apparently didn't want to shout these statements to the whole world. So what exactly do you think was considered offensive about those texts, and who do you think would be offended by them?NomadPatriot wrote:no where in that article you linked is there a single racist tweet..degaston wrote:
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
so what are you talking about..
it's CNN.. and even they titled the article "Offensive Tweets" not 'racist tweets'..
Offensive & Racist are 2 completely different things..
Here's a hint: I'm not a racist, but...
But in case you didn't get it, I think that her texts: "Damn I was at this area with 5 different black officers !!! Not racists but damn,"* and "Not racist but just have a different way of working and it shows," are racist. Maybe not the most racist thing I've ever seen, and she's obviously careful enough to leave out any details of what she's really thinking, but it's probably not "Damn, that's some nice police work there, Lou." The only thing that distinguishes these officers to her is their race, and she felt strongly enough about this to text it to someone else, and that the receiver would not object.NomadPatriot wrote:why are you inserting words into what she wrote....?degaston wrote:Actually, the article title was about offensive texts, not tweets. For some reason, she apparently didn't want to shout these statements to the whole world. So what exactly do you think was considered offensive about those texts, and who do you think would be offended by them?NomadPatriot wrote:no where in that article you linked is there a single racist tweet..degaston wrote:
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
so what are you talking about..
it's CNN.. and even they titled the article "Offensive Tweets" not 'racist tweets'..
Offensive & Racist are 2 completely different things..
Here's a hint: I'm not a racist, but...
Where did I do that? What made you think that was supposed to be a direct quote? Did I put quotation marks around it? Was there something I wrote that indicated that I thought I was quoting her? When you clicked on the link and saw that the title of the Urban Dictionary page was "i'm not racist, but...", did that not clue you in to the reason for the text in the link?
she did not write " I'm not a Racist , but..."
she wrote --> " not Racist but..."
Correct. Do you think that the difference is relevant?
if you are going to quote someone in order to create a narrative... falsifying what they said just shows you are desperate to have the narrative you are creating believed...
Again, I made no representation that I was quoting her.
you just created Fake News using CNN as a source.. & even CNN got what she said correct..
so where's that put you on the totem pole.. ?
I notice that you chose to ignore any of the content of my post. I'll assume that means you have no argument with it.
- yeah.. ok you sure didn't intend for your statement to entail that is what she wrote.. you just created a 'hint' .degaston wrote:But in case you didn't get it, I think that her texts: "Damn I was at this area with 5 different black officers !!! Not racists but damn,"* and "Not racist but just have a different way of working and it shows," are racist. Maybe not the most racist thing I've ever seen, and she's obviously careful enough to leave out any details of what she's really thinking, but it's probably not "Damn, that's some nice police work there, Lou." The only thing that distinguishes these officers to her is their race, and she felt strongly enough about this to text it to someone else, and that the receiver would not object.NomadPatriot wrote:why are you inserting words into what she wrote....?degaston wrote:Actually, the article title was about offensive texts, not tweets. For some reason, she apparently didn't want to shout these statements to the whole world. So what exactly do you think was considered offensive about those texts, and who do you think would be offended by them?NomadPatriot wrote:no where in that article you linked is there a single racist tweet..degaston wrote:
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
so what are you talking about..
it's CNN.. and even they titled the article "Offensive Tweets" not 'racist tweets'..
Offensive & Racist are 2 completely different things..
Here's a hint: I'm not a racist, but...
Where did I do that? What made you think that was supposed to be a direct quote? Did I put quotation marks around it? Was there something I wrote that indicated that I thought I was quoting her? When you clicked on the link and saw that the title of the Urban Dictionary page was "i'm not racist, but...", did that not clue you in to the reason for the text in the link?
she did not write " I'm not a Racist , but..."
she wrote --> " not Racist but..."
Correct. Do you think that the difference is relevant?
if you are going to quote someone in order to create a narrative... falsifying what they said just shows you are desperate to have the narrative you are creating believed...
Again, I made no representation that I was quoting her.
you just created Fake News using CNN as a source.. & even CNN got what she said correct..
so where's that put you on the totem pole.. ?
I notice that you chose to ignore any of the content of my post. I'll assume that means you have no argument with it.
I would say that this qualifies as "a documented history of racist actions or remarks", and therefore it is not unreasonable to think that "if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily." It's not proof, of course, and we'll never know for sure, but it is possible that race played a factor.
* I think racists (plural) here is a typo, and she meant to say racist. She says nothing to indicate that she thought they were doing something racist, but seems to be trying to deny that her statements are racist while she singles these officers out because of their race.
Oh, I see now! She sent those texts to her boyfriend because she thinks black people are hot and she wanted her boyfriend to know. She wanted to spice things up in the bedroom by bringing in a few black guys who have "a different way of working and it shows". (if you know what I mean)NomadPatriot wrote:- yeah.. ok you sure didn't intend for your statement to entail that is what she wrote.. you just created a 'hint' .degaston wrote:But in case you didn't get it, I think that her texts: "Damn I was at this area with 5 different black officers !!! Not racists but damn,"* and "Not racist but just have a different way of working and it shows," are racist. Maybe not the most racist thing I've ever seen, and she's obviously careful enough to leave out any details of what she's really thinking, but it's probably not "Damn, that's some nice police work there, Lou." The only thing that distinguishes these officers to her is their race, and she felt strongly enough about this to text it to someone else, and that the receiver would not object.NomadPatriot wrote:why are you inserting words into what she wrote....?degaston wrote:Actually, the article title was about offensive texts, not tweets. For some reason, she apparently didn't want to shout these statements to the whole world. So what exactly do you think was considered offensive about those texts, and who do you think would be offended by them?NomadPatriot wrote:no where in that article you linked is there a single racist tweet..degaston wrote:
And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
so what are you talking about..
it's CNN.. and even they titled the article "Offensive Tweets" not 'racist tweets'..
Offensive & Racist are 2 completely different things..
Here's a hint: I'm not a racist, but...
Where did I do that? What made you think that was supposed to be a direct quote? Did I put quotation marks around it? Was there something I wrote that indicated that I thought I was quoting her? When you clicked on the link and saw that the title of the Urban Dictionary page was "i'm not racist, but...", did that not clue you in to the reason for the text in the link?
she did not write " I'm not a Racist , but..."
she wrote --> " not Racist but..."
Correct. Do you think that the difference is relevant?
if you are going to quote someone in order to create a narrative... falsifying what they said just shows you are desperate to have the narrative you are creating believed...
Again, I made no representation that I was quoting her.
you just created Fake News using CNN as a source.. & even CNN got what she said correct..
so where's that put you on the totem pole.. ?
I notice that you chose to ignore any of the content of my post. I'll assume that means you have no argument with it.
I would say that this qualifies as "a documented history of racist actions or remarks", and therefore it is not unreasonable to think that "if it was a white man on her couch she likely wouldn't have shot him so readily." It's not proof, of course, and we'll never know for sure, but it is possible that race played a factor.
* I think racists (plural) here is a typo, and she meant to say racist. She says nothing to indicate that she thought they were doing something racist, but seems to be trying to deny that her statements are racist while she singles these officers out because of their race.
. so why create a 'hint' stating " I'm not a racist , but".. ? why not just quote her directly..
you just got called out. .and you are now trying to defend some pointless position.. sad bud..
- you think someone saying --> "Damn I was at this area with 5 different black officers !!! Not racists but damn," is racist..?
she describes 5 officers as black.. says they are 'not racists'. .& you consider that her being racist...
wow!
- do you know if she is attracted to black officers..?
she tossed in a few exclamation points on the end of that sentence.. she sounds excited about being around black officers...
- oh.. you think she typo'd a word so your narrative stays afloat.. because you think she is racist.. obviously because she is white..
- according to your logic.. saying people other than yourself are not racists.. makes you a racist..
ok.. gotcha.. nothing delusional about that at all...
so.. if a black female cop wrote "Damn I was at this area with 5 different Latino officers !!! Not racists but damn,".. then you would also consider her a racist.. correct..?
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but what is amazingly interesting is the fact you are saying you were not quoting her directly.. so you were just saying a hint "I'm not a racist, but"
the very interesting part about that is that Hint statement you wrote is it is a link you created to Urban Dictionary
and the definition of that is -->
i'm not racist, but . . .
"Something an idiot says just before making a comment that proves the idiot is, in fact, a racist."
so if you were not entailing she said it.. and YOU were the one saying it.. then that definition applies to …. YOU..
you just outed yourself as an idiot who is in fact .. a racist..
good job there buddy..
I think I just kicked over your Projector..
we get the hint.. you are saying you are a racist... and anything you say is focused through a racist lens..
obviously you do not know how to read..degaston wrote:
Oh, I see now! She sent those texts to her boyfriend because she thinks black people are hot and she wanted her boyfriend to know. She wanted to spice things up in the bedroom by bringing in a few black guys who have "a different way of working and it shows". (if you know what I mean)Makes perfect sense!
It's a real shame she didn't have you working on her defense team. Instead of preventing the texts from being shown to the jury, you could have used her texts as part of her defense to show how un-racist she is when she joked about MLK being dead, and how she thinks black people are hot and/or "not racists". If that doesn't work, you could argue that "not racist but" means something entirely different from "I'm not a racist, but", and that if you include that in a text, then you can't be a racist no matter what else you say. Who wouldn't be convinced by that? She could be walking around free right now if only you had helped. Don't you feel bad?
I understand that being deliberately obtuse is your preferred debate strategy because you're unable to argue anything on its merits, but really? Now you want to quibble over the definition of a boyfriend? Does that have any bearing on the topic?NomadPatriot wrote:obviously you do not know how to read..degaston wrote:
Oh, I see now! She sent those texts to her boyfriend because she thinks black people are hot and she wanted her boyfriend to know. She wanted to spice things up in the bedroom by bringing in a few black guys who have "a different way of working and it shows". (if you know what I mean)Makes perfect sense!
It's a real shame she didn't have you working on her defense team. Instead of preventing the texts from being shown to the jury, you could have used her texts as part of her defense to show how un-racist she is when she joked about MLK being dead, and how she thinks black people are hot and/or "not racists". If that doesn't work, you could argue that "not racist but" means something entirely different from "I'm not a racist, but", and that if you include that in a text, then you can't be a racist no matter what else you say. Who wouldn't be convinced by that? She could be walking around free right now if only you had helped. Don't you feel bad?
here is what the CNN article says
--> "In a March 9, 2018, exchange of text messages with a married officer and her former police partner, Martin Rivera, with whom Guyger was having a sexual relationship..."
it was not her boyfriend. the guy was married to someone else.. he was her former partner who she was f*cking on the side... no clue what a married man who is cheating on his wife would sneak around & want to do... maybe 3-ways are their thing.. I mean he is Latino... which makes her a super racist..
- feel free to explain how joking about someone being dead is racist through your racist lens... oh that's right .. because she's white.. so it has to be racist.. no other option..
your narrative is falling apart..
but thanks for letting us know who you are..
no where doe she admit she is a racist.degaston wrote:I understand that being deliberately obtuse is your preferred debate strategy because you're unable to argue anything on its merits, but really? Now you want to quibble over the definition of a boyfriend? Does that have any bearing on the topic?NomadPatriot wrote:obviously you do not know how to read..degaston wrote:
Oh, I see now! She sent those texts to her boyfriend because she thinks black people are hot and she wanted her boyfriend to know. She wanted to spice things up in the bedroom by bringing in a few black guys who have "a different way of working and it shows". (if you know what I mean)Makes perfect sense!
It's a real shame she didn't have you working on her defense team. Instead of preventing the texts from being shown to the jury, you could have used her texts as part of her defense to show how un-racist she is when she joked about MLK being dead, and how she thinks black people are hot and/or "not racists". If that doesn't work, you could argue that "not racist but" means something entirely different from "I'm not a racist, but", and that if you include that in a text, then you can't be a racist no matter what else you say. Who wouldn't be convinced by that? She could be walking around free right now if only you had helped. Don't you feel bad?
here is what the CNN article says
--> "In a March 9, 2018, exchange of text messages with a married officer and her former police partner, Martin Rivera, with whom Guyger was having a sexual relationship..."
it was not her boyfriend. the guy was married to someone else.. he was her former partner who she was f*cking on the side... no clue what a married man who is cheating on his wife would sneak around & want to do... maybe 3-ways are their thing.. I mean he is Latino... which makes her a super racist..
- feel free to explain how joking about someone being dead is racist through your racist lens... oh that's right .. because she's white.. so it has to be racist.. no other option..
your narrative is falling apart..
but thanks for letting us know who you are..
And if you don't think those texts are racist, then what is it about them that people consider to be offensive? "Damn"? Such strong language!If there's nothing racist about them, why did she include "not racist but"? If there's nothing racist about them, why did her lawyers want to prevent the jury from seeing them?
Oh, and then there was this one:
Someone sends her a text about a German Shepherd: "Although she may be racist," Ethridge wrote.
"I wish I could have one," Guyger responded. "But not in this apartmentsmaller than my old one." She added seconds later, "It's okay, I'm the same."
She admits that she's racist. If only you had enough self-awareness to do the same.

You’re just an ass who aspires to be a Professional Asshole.NomadPatriot wrote: do not call me some simple Ass..
I am an Professional Asshole.. use the correct terminology please.
Yes.degaston wrote:And if she does have a history of racist remarks? Is it fair to make that assumption then?jimboston wrote:
This case is completely unrelated in any way to the girl falsely accusing schoolmates of cutting her hair.
Amber Guyger's offensive text messages are introduced at her sentencing
Wow dude, that was a lot of effort just to prove I'm right.NomadPatriot wrote:no where doe she admit she is a racist.
someone sends her a text saying " although she may be racist".. guygar wrote back something saying "it's okay , I am the same"..
the same as what.. ?
no one said anything was racist. , the person said the dog " may be racist".. ..
she is obviously referencing the joke about not the dog not being smart.. replying " it's okay, I'm the same"
--> someone can not be " the same " as "may be racist ".. what makes more logical sense is Amber is saying she is " the Same " as the dog not being smart.
sounds like her friend was talking to a person who needed someone or something in their life. initially stating " you know what you need ? a German Shepard "..
then makes a joke about a German dog being racist ( probably because of Nazi's .. )
the texts are not a 1 for 1 back & forth exchange.. as in what happens with any text conversation anyone has ever had...
the friend sent her 3 texts in a row,
amber replied with 1,
her friend sent another 2 texts in a row,
Amber replied back with 2 texts,
her friend replied back with 1 text,
amber replied back with 2 ,
then her friend replied back with 1..
( and that is just this 1 page worth.. )
this entire 12 text conversation took place over a time span of less than 4 minutes.
you are trying to entail racism from a 2-3 line segment out of a multi-page conversation that was going on..
but .. of course you are doing that. because you are applying a racist lens to the situation..
it has to be Racist.. because you were told to believe that..
degaston wrote:Wow dude, that was a lot of effort just to prove I'm right.NomadPatriot wrote:no where doe she admit she is a racist.
someone sends her a text saying " although she may be racist".. guygar wrote back something saying "it's okay , I am the same"..
the same as what.. ?
no one said anything was racist. , the person said the dog " may be racist".. ..
she is obviously referencing the joke about not the dog not being smart.. replying " it's okay, I'm the same"
--> someone can not be " the same " as "may be racist ".. what makes more logical sense is Amber is saying she is " the Same " as the dog not being smart.
sounds like her friend was talking to a person who needed someone or something in their life. initially stating " you know what you need ? a German Shepard "..
then makes a joke about a German dog being racist ( probably because of Nazi's .. )
the texts are not a 1 for 1 back & forth exchange.. as in what happens with any text conversation anyone has ever had...
the friend sent her 3 texts in a row,
amber replied with 1,
her friend sent another 2 texts in a row,
Amber replied back with 2 texts,
her friend replied back with 1 text,
amber replied back with 2 ,
then her friend replied back with 1..
( and that is just this 1 page worth.. )
this entire 12 text conversation took place over a time span of less than 4 minutes.
you are trying to entail racism from a 2-3 line segment out of a multi-page conversation that was going on..
but .. of course you are doing that. because you are applying a racist lens to the situation..
it has to be Racist.. because you were told to believe that..
Did you even notice that right after "It's okay.. I'm the same", she texts "I hate everything and everyone but y'all"?
Does that sound like she's talking about being 'not smart', or being a racist?
Be honest. (I know you won't)