[Abandoned] - Pachisi!

[MarshalNey]

The bonus list is getting a bit complicated. What I would do is, rework the white space bonuses so you get:
+2 for each letter in which you hold a white space
+1 for every two subsequent white spaces within the same letter
And no other white space bonus. That way there is a significant motivation to expand to new parts of the map.

You may also want to move "safe zones can assault each other" to where the safe zone icon is at the top of the legend, so the information about each space is grouped neatly.

Agree, but furthermore you might want to move all relevant information by the icons, so that the information about Red 2 is by the Red icon.

While I like the same # idea for being able to 'sneak' bonuses in foggy games, I think Evil makes a good case for keeping the legend simple, while at the same time giving players the carrot that they need to get out and expand.

[Victor Sullivan]

I was thinking along the same lines with the legend organization. I suppose I can cut out the +1 per 3 for the white spaces, but I am gonna keep the +3 for the first white space.

-Sully

[MarshalNey]

I was thinking along the same lines with the legend organization. I suppose I can cut out the +1 per 3 for the white spaces, but I am gonna keep the +3 for the first white space.

-Sully

Hmmmm... what do you think about EvilD's suggestion of
"+2 for each letter in which you hold a white space"

This condition essentially includes the "+3 for the first white space" except that the bonus is reduced to +2, but it also keeps giving out every time a player takes the 'first white space' in a new letter set.

Also were you thinking of replacing the +1 per 3 white spaces condition with +1 per every two white spaces subsequent to the first (first in the letter set that is) condition?

I guess what I'm asking, do you mean to have the white space bonus like this?

+3 for the first white space
+2 for each letter in which you hold a white space
+1 for every two subsequent white spaces within the same letter

[Victor Sullivan]

Okay, I think I got the white space bonuses figured out. I've gone along with ED's idea a bit, but adjusted the bonus, because +2 seemed a little high to me:

+3 for the first white space
+1 per 2 white spaces in the same letter group
+1 per white space in a different letter group [so basically have this instead of the number bonus]

Sound okay?

-Sully

[MarshalNey]

do you think +1 for a new letter will be enough incentive to expand?

[Victor Sullivan]

do you think +1 for a new letter will be enough incentive to expand?

Yes, I do. +1 for 1 is still a lot better than +1 for 2. +2 just seems overpowered to me.

[Victor Sullivan]

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[rdsrds2120]

I'm confused as to what your red spaces in the legend is saying. So, at the start of each turn, if decays 9999, decays 2, then resets to 5 (in some order)?

-rd

[Victor Sullivan]

No, red territories ending in that number do that stuff. Do I need to be more clear in the legend?

[MarshalNey]

No, red territories ending in that number do that stuff. Do I need to be more clear in the legend?

Perhaps, since you refer to "Red 2" in the last sentence, it seems inconsistent. So you could use "Red 1", "Red 2" and "Red 3" for the descriptions of what they do.

Or, just use '1st Red', '2nd Red', '3rd Red', although that doesn't exactly correlate to the numbering. But it still might be clearer...

Yes, I do. +1 for 1 is still a lot better than +1 for 2. +2 just seems overpowered to me.

OK, fair enough.

By the way, you need to clarify in the White Space legend that the +3 bonus is for the first white space only. Some could misinterpret "+3 for 1" as "+3 per 1".

[Victor Sullivan]

No, red territories ending in that number do that stuff. Do I need to be more clear in the legend?

Perhaps, since you refer to "Red 2" in the last sentence, it seems inconsistent. So you could use "Red 1", "Red 2" and "Red 3" for the descriptions of what they do.

Or, just use '1st Red', '2nd Red', '3rd Red', although that doesn't exactly correlate to the numbering. But it still might be clearer...

Yes, I do. +1 for 1 is still a lot better than +1 for 2. +2 just seems overpowered to me.

OK, fair enough.

By the way, you need to clarify in the White Space legend that the +3 bonus is for the first white space only. Some could misinterpret "+3 for 1" as "+3 per 1".

Alright, I sent the changes to Spike.

[neanderpaul14]

This looks really sharp Victor, BTW this brings me back to my childhood.

[Victor Sullivan]

This looks really sharp Victor, BTW this brings me back to my childhood.

Hey, thanks! Always nice to hear some encouraging words.

[Victor Sullivan]

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[Victor Sullivan]

As far as gameplay is concerned, I think we're done, right?

-Sully

[Evil DIMwit]

I'm not sure that +1 for a new letter group is enough, since a player would also have to conquer through a safe zone or two to reach the new group. However, I can save this reservation for beta -- if we see that players don't have much incentive to leave their letter group, you can change it to be +2.

Well, I'm still not sure how this would play but I think I can sticky it now and when the Surveyors take a look at it they can make any suggestions they might have.

[Victor Sullivan]

Sweet beans and thanks for the sticky! Here is the map again, so we can have it on this page:

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-Sully

[Evil DIMwit]

Looks like nobody has any further suggestions in gameplay, so I think it's about time you move on.

[the.killing.44]

I cannot read the text on the small map.

Did you just take your large map and resize it?

[Victor Sullivan]

Looks like nobody has any further suggestions in gameplay, so I think it's about time you move on.

Sweet beans and a vial of cornstarch! Thanks!

I cannot read the text on the small map.

Did you just take your large map and resize it?

Yes, and I have an idea to fix the readability of the text.

-Sully

[thenobodies80]

Some questions:

- The small coloured symbols in the safe zones are just decorative?
- White spaces....the letter group in the legend is referred to the nest letter? And again +1 for 2 white spaces that share the same letter? of your nest or just the same letter?
- Isn't safe zone a strange name?....they don't seem a so safe place.
- Home, do you really need it can assualt nests? Why i need to come out of there if it gives me the victory?

Talking about graphics, i agree with the.killing.44, the text in the small version needs some care.
Could you please post also both versions with 888? (or write a rough xml)

Nobodies

[Joodoo]

Awesome map

[Victor Sullivan]

Some questions:

- The small coloured symbols in the safe zones are just decorative?
Yes.
- White spaces....the letter group in the legend is referred to the nest letter? And again +1 for 2 white spaces that share the same letter? of your nest or just the same letter?
Same letter; the bonus has nothing to do with the nests.
- Isn't safe zone a strange name?....they don't seem a so safe place.
They are called Safe Zones because thats what they are called in Pachisi.
- Home, do you really need it can assualt nests? Why i need to come out of there if it gives me the victory?
Just an added effect for Terminator and Assassin games. I suppose with the Red 2 bombardments it may not be necessary, but I think I like it that way
Talking about graphics, i agree with the.killing.44, the text in the small version needs some care.
I agree, Spike is working on it now.
Could you please post also both versions with 888? (or write a rough xml)
I will be working on the XML very soon, so you can preview it that way.

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

Awesome map

Good to hear, thanks a bunch!

[Victor Sullivan]

Okay, updated the small version:

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