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Re: Mexican Violence/Liberal Silence

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bradleybadly wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Because, really, immigrants help society... as we've seen in the 19th and 20th centuries.


Immigrants who are willing to enter this country legally and assimilate are helpful. Illegal immigrants who disrespect our borders, fly our flag upside down, tell us that we're on their land, and promise to shoot our police unless they get free entitlement money don't.


True enough, certainly...as long as you recognize that not all (nor, in my opinion, a majority...though I'll admit there are a large number) of the illegal immigrants take those offensive actions.

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You've said nothing at all in this particular post that was worthy of even condemnation, never mind banning. It was a very good post, in my view, even though I don't wholly agree with you.

PLAYER57832 wrote:The problem then is kids. In that I think we need new solutions. Forcing parents to leave kids behind in conditions that are too often less than excellent, that too often wind up being far longer than parents initially intent. I propose a couple "out of the box" solutions. One is just to let the kids come here, be educated in our system, BUT require their parents to pay for that education. Because the workers are mostly low wage earners, it would be assessed as a tax that employers would pay. Part would be an extra payment, so that hiring someone not a citizen would cost an employer just a bit more (something like 25 cents and hour more for lower wage earners). I would require that anyone coming here have insurance. The minimum type of insurance would cover emergency care and transport back to the home country. Tied in with this, I can see creating hospitals just over the boarder specifically geared for this population, but that would have to come up more or less on its own. (insurance for coverage at those places would naturally be cheaper). In some cases, because kids not born here might not automatically get US citizenship, while they would absolutely learn US standards, citizenship requirements, etc just like any other child, there might be a program designed in conjunction with the Mexican government to "orient" the kids to Mexico and so forth. In other words, these kids would be equipped to be US-friendly citizens of Mexico or to become Mexican-friendly citizens of the US, depending. Neither country benefits by having a generation of kids who is not allowed to stay here, but is unable to live truly in Mexico.


Some pretty good ideas here.
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thegreekdog wrote:Why in the hell would I want you banned? You make good points, not just one liners. You actually discuss. You haven't called me any names. You haven't typed any flames. I welcome discussions like this one.


I thought you were pissed off earlier. Anyways, I'm going to knock off on this one because I feel we're at an impasse. Thanks for reading and I liked reading your thoughts on this. Your bleeding heart comment made me laugh.
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bradleybadly wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Why in the hell would I want you banned? You make good points, not just one liners. You actually discuss. You haven't called me any names. You haven't typed any flames. I welcome discussions like this one.


I thought you were pissed off earlier. Anyways, I'm going to knock off on this one because I feel we're at an impasse. Thanks for reading and I liked reading your thoughts on this. Your bleeding heart comment made me laugh.

What fun is there, what is there to learn from only speaking with those who think the same as us? While I won't presume to speak for anyone else, I believe you, Woodruff, greekdog and quite a few others here agree. I have always found you respectful, even when the topic was heated and "touchy".
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
bradleybadly wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Why in the hell would I want you banned? You make good points, not just one liners. You actually discuss. You haven't called me any names. You haven't typed any flames. I welcome discussions like this one.


I thought you were pissed off earlier. Anyways, I'm going to knock off on this one because I feel we're at an impasse. Thanks for reading and I liked reading your thoughts on this. Your bleeding heart comment made me laugh.

What fun is there, what is there to learn from only speaking with those who think the same as us? While I won't presume to speak for anyone else, I believe you, Woodruff, greekdog and quite a few others here agree. I have always found you respectful, even when the topic was heated and "touchy".


I would agree with the caveat "as much as any of the rest of us" (meaning myself, mostly...since you soft bastards never seem to get bent out of shape <grin>).
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Re: Mexican Violence/Liberal Silence

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bradleybadly wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Why in the hell would I want you banned? You make good points, not just one liners. You actually discuss. You haven't called me any names. You haven't typed any flames. I welcome discussions like this one.


I thought you were pissed off earlier. Anyways, I'm going to knock off on this one because I feel we're at an impasse. Thanks for reading and I liked reading your thoughts on this. Your bleeding heart comment made me laugh.


I don't usually get pissed off at political discussions. And if you beat me in a discussion, I will admit defeat. I won't admit defeat on this one, but I'm not going to get pissed off either. A good discussion.
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We clearly need another Mexican riot video
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Phatscotty wrote:We clearly need another Mexican riot video


Yeah, why not

Here's something for you - What if those 1,200 new border enforcement officers* that Obama's sending to the border were all openly gay and ended up apprehending and beating Mexican illegals who were just coming here to find work? None of the usual left wing or right wing posters here would know what the hell to comment!


*I know they're not all actual "officers"
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bradleybadly wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:We clearly need another Mexican riot video


Yeah, why not

Here's something for you - What if those 1,200 new border enforcement officers* that Obama's sending to the border were all openly gay and ended up apprehending and beating Mexican illegals who were just coming here to find work? None of the usual left wing or right wing posters here would know what the hell to comment!


*I know they're not all actual "officers"

lol

Actually, I think everyone would be happy. They could complain about the lot!
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A majority of illegal aliens from Mexico are very peaceful people. Your video only shows thousands of isolated incidents of blatant anti-Americanism that just happened to have taken place very close to each other.
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DangerBoy wrote:


A majority of illegal aliens from Mexico are very peaceful people. Your video only shows thousands of isolated incidents of blatant anti-Americanism that just happened to have taken place very close to each other.

Gotta crack a few eggs....
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Phatscotty wrote:
DangerBoy wrote:


A majority of illegal aliens from Mexico are very peaceful people. Your video only shows thousands of isolated incidents of blatant anti-Americanism that just happened to have taken place very close to each other.

Gotta crack a few eggs....

True, let's start with all those who benefit from having illegal aliens come here. OOPS, that might be all of us.
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Player, do you support the violence in America committed by illegal Immigration supporters?

pre-emptive strike!!!!!
This is not the time to introduce a different group of people under different circumstances as a basis to support or oppose the specific group at hand.
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Phatscotty wrote: Player, do you support the violence in America committed by illegal Immigration supporters?

No
Phatscotty wrote:pre-emptive strike!!!!!
This is not the time to introduce a different group of people under different circumstances as a basis to support or oppose the specific group at hand.

Fine, and while we are at it, let's "pre-emptively strike" anyone who might possibly become violant.
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