Moderator: Community Team
Mustard gas has been used to great affect on civilian populations. Saddam Hussein in particular was guilty of this.Titanic wrote:Gabon theres a huge difference between some mustard gas and a uranium nuclear warhead and ICBM's with the capability to reach Europe. There were not the WMD's that they told us, all they found was some cheap stuff with no real significance, there was none of the big WMD's, the ones that would destroy cities and were used to drive fear into us so we submitted to allowing the invasion to go ahead.
Well, we elected a candidate who is pursuing the path of appeasement as opposed to a seasoned military veteran and public servant. This is certainly similar. In addition if you look at the circumstances of the time (depression) as well as the ambitions of Chamberlain (a largely social agenda which included compulsory medical inspection of the population) striking similarities between the UK in the 30's and the United States today become apparent. The biggest differences which I can recognize are the nature of warfare and the number of "Hitler's" who are pursuing a domestic policy of militarization.Titanic wrote:Also how can you even compare the USA today to the UK in the 1930's? The whole world is a completely different place and the policies being persued aren't even similar. Add onto that the fact that the actions Chamberlain took actually helped us to win WWII, and if we followed your methods of just fighting straight away then the Nazi's would have crushed everyone in Europe.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Mustard gas may be deadly but it is no nuclear warhead. They are not even comparible, the nukes are thousands of times more powerful and deadly.GabonX wrote:Mustard gas has been used to great affect on civilian populations. Saddam Hussein in particular was guilty of this.Titanic wrote:Gabon theres a huge difference between some mustard gas and a uranium nuclear warhead and ICBM's with the capability to reach Europe. There were not the WMD's that they told us, all they found was some cheap stuff with no real significance, there was none of the big WMD's, the ones that would destroy cities and were used to drive fear into us so we submitted to allowing the invasion to go ahead.
Yes, the kinds of gas delivery systems which Saddam used can destroy cities. The affects may not be as quick and clean, but they cause much more pain and suffering.
Well, we elected a candidate who is pursuing the path of appeasement as opposed to a seasoned military veteran and public servant. This is certainly similar. In addition if you look at the circumstances of the time (depression) as well as the ambitions of Chamberlain (a largely social agenda which included compulsory medical inspection of the population) striking similarities between the UK in the 30's and the United States today become apparent. The biggest differences which I can recognize are the nature of warfare and the number of "Hitler's" who are pursuing a domestic policy of militarization.Titanic wrote:Also how can you even compare the USA today to the UK in the 1930's? The whole world is a completely different place and the policies being persued aren't even similar. Add onto that the fact that the actions Chamberlain took actually helped us to win WWII, and if we followed your methods of just fighting straight away then the Nazi's would have crushed everyone in Europe.
This comment makes it clear that you do no understand the dynamics of the UK in the 1930s. Chamberlain's policies helped to win the war? No..
There was a period where German military strength was not greater than that of the UK or France. Most people who actually study the Third Reich and WW2 era agree that had the war began sooner, that it would have been less devastating. Had the European powers reacted to the German occupation of the Rhineland, millions of lives would have been saved. Instead they chose to delay the inevitable while a strong stance in the 30's could have quite feasibly averted WW2.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Believe me I give Churchill great credit, he won us the war, I just believe Chamberlain did the right stuff in the build up to prepare us for the war. WWII only became inevitable from 1936, and as these graphs show Germany was around 11% compared to the UK's 3.5% in military spending as % of GDP in 1936. Britains doubling spending in 2 years, and even more if you look at figures for early 1939, which proves my point earlier that Chamberlains stalling of the war helped us a great deal once it actually started.GabonX wrote:The critical element that you fail to address is that Germany was building up as well. They surpassed the British forces in the late 30's not before, and the occupation of the Rhineland occurred in 1936, the same year as the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War.
I think you give to much credit to Chamberlain and not enough to Churchill as Chamberlain largely stood in his way.


In 1936 Germany helped out Franco significantly so that he won the civil war. Ever seen Picasso's painting, Guernica? That was the German Air Force so don't give me the crap that they had nothing in 1936. Do some real research then come debate with me.jsholty4690 wrote:Spending and having it are two different things. In 1936, Germany had no air force, they had no navy, their tank corps was a joke and their army was weak. Name me a conventional war were the winning power did not have air superiority.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure the families of the 12 million that died in the concentration camps would agree with you completely.
Titanic wrote:Your clutching on strings that arn't even there.
Instead of attempting to insult me, attempt to prove me wrong.6.57 wrote:Titanic wrote:Your clutching on strings that arn't even there.
![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
You tit.
Did Poland have an air force? Did Greece have an air force? Did Belgium have an air force? If you don't know where I'm going, they all did have air forces, but they didn't stand a chance against Germany's. Germany may have had an air force in 1936, but it wouldn't have stood up against a modern army. The reason why their military did so well in the Spanish Civil War was because both sides weren't using modern weapons.Titanic wrote:In 1936 Germany helped out Franco significantly so that he won the civil war. Ever seen Picasso's painting, Guernica? That was the German Air Force so don't give me the crap that they had nothing in 1936. Do some real research then come debate with me.jsholty4690 wrote:Spending and having it are two different things. In 1936, Germany had no air force, they had no navy, their tank corps was a joke and their army was weak. Name me a conventional war were the winning power did not have air superiority.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure the families of the 12 million that died in the concentration camps would agree with you completely.
Titanic wrote:Instead of attempting to insult me, attempt to prove me wrong.6.57 wrote:Titanic wrote:Your clutching on strings that arn't even there.
![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
You tit.
The Spanish civil war isnt my area of expertise but I'm fairly sure that both sides were using fairly modern weapons. Using any tanks or planes is those days was fairly modern in those days, its not like they were charging on horse back.jsholty4690 wrote:Did Poland have an air force? Did Greece have an air force? Did Belgium have an air force? If you don't know where I'm going, they all did have air forces, but they didn't stand a chance against Germany's. Germany may have had an air force in 1936, but it wouldn't have stood up against a modern army. The reason why their military did so well in the Spanish Civil War was because both sides weren't using modern weapons.Titanic wrote:In 1936 Germany helped out Franco significantly so that he won the civil war. Ever seen Picasso's painting, Guernica? That was the German Air Force so don't give me the crap that they had nothing in 1936. Do some real research then come debate with me.jsholty4690 wrote:Spending and having it are two different things. In 1936, Germany had no air force, they had no navy, their tank corps was a joke and their army was weak. Name me a conventional war were the winning power did not have air superiority.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure the families of the 12 million that died in the concentration camps would agree with you completely.
Your first point about the navy doesn't make much sense. They were allowed 18 real ships, how was that going to challenge the royal navy? They got their asses handed to them in WWI, if they went to war again in '36 with the same ships, the same thing would have happened. Two the reason for a lot of England's hardships during WWII, was because of Germany's U-boat corps and in 1936 they didn't have a U-boat corps.Titanic wrote:You make the point that Germany was weak (in reality definitely not as weak as you are trying to make out). The Treaty of Versailles said they could have an army of 100,000, naval force of 15,000, 6 battleships, 6 cruisers, 6 destroyers and 12 torpedo boats. These limits are fairly generous and led to the Nazis having a very well trained, extremely competent core within their army, and Hitler fairly quickly ignored these and began to build up the army.
The fact also remains that from 1920 up until 1936 Britain and France invested very little into their military so their air forces, navies and armies would have been almost 20 years out of date (essentially WWI standard), and hardly much more modern the the Germans. Germany began its boost in military investment in 1933, so by 1936 they would have been well under way into a military state, so if a war broke out the would have been ready to ramp up production for the war time effort. In 1936 Britain had only just begun its boost in military spending so if a war broke out there was no way they could alter the economy and focus it entirely on the war effort within a short period.
Even if the British and French had superior air forces and armies (which I still doubt), the Germans would have quickly overpowered them due to their production process and supply chain being more ready for the war and able to take the stresses that a war would produce, whilst the British and the French would be caught off guard and unable to create the changes necessary within the country to fight the war within time.
That is the fault of Chamberlain and his French counter-parts. If they had regulated Germany more closely, WWII wouldn't have happened (even if it did it would have been at a more scaled down level). And finally I believe that you have little faith in what your grandfather's generation could do, and his French counter-parts because there is no better way to encourage people to do something, when there are barbarians at the gatesThese limits are fairly generous and led to the Nazis having a very well trained, extremely competent core within their army, and Hitler fairly quickly ignored these and began to build up the army.
Do you have any idea of how small an army of 100,000 men was by the standards of the day?Titanic wrote:You make the point that Germany was weak (in reality definitely not as weak as you are trying to make out). The Treaty of Versailles said they could have an army of 100,000,
WrongRustovitch wrote:Look up Scott Ritter.
Saddam had no WMD's.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Yes the entire weapons inspection team, including CIA agents were wrong, and Saddam on the eve of war decided to pass his weapons to Syria and managed to do so via the tunnels of the mole men.GabonX wrote:WrongRustovitch wrote:Look up Scott Ritter.
Saddam had no WMD's.
Fail.The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
pimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
Yes.pimpdave wrote:pimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oilpimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
Then there's no point in invading them before Iran.Rustovitch wrote: Yes.
But it is not a major oil exporter.
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
ky jellyneanderpaul14 wrote:GabonX wrote:Nopimpdave wrote:does syria have oil
What do they use as a lubricant in there cars??