Equal marriage rights passed in NY

[Woodruff]

Not only that, but individuals such as myself wouldn't really give much of a crap about the issue either, since there would be no government-sponsored rights and benefits associated with marriage.

... Thank you, Woody, for summing up my point in so few words. This is what I was trying to express (and obviously failed).

And now I'll get a bit more wordy (grin):
Either get rid of the legal benefits/rights of marriage entirely (so that it's purely a religious ceremony) or allow homosexuals and polygamists to be married. But really, one of those choices must be made.

Yes, I added polygamists...and before all you religious idiots whine about the "slippery slope", there is no logical, rational reason why polygamy is considered anathema. The ONLY grounds anyone has for it are "I don't like it", which tends to be (though not exclusively) a religious perspective. Homosexuality and polygamy do not in any way equate to incest or beastiality, due to the ability/inability to consent in the relevant relationships. If you want to argue the polygamy point, please do so as a separate entity to the homosexuality issue.

Unrelated issues- states and countries that have passed laws granting homosexuals the freedom to marry have not come any further in favour or against granting or banning polygamy.

It's an interesting idea in theory, but just doesn't hold up in actual practice. It's simply unrelated. Indeed, if you'll bear with me for a second, I'd actually reverse that idea and say that countries that allow polygamy tend to be countries that are more strongly opposed to homosexual marriage, or homosexuals in general.

There's a map, here.

You seem to have misunderstood my post. I agree they are unrelated. Yet VERY similar.

[PLAYER57832]

Yes, I added polygamists...and before all you religious idiots whine about the "slippery slope", there is no logical, rational reason why polygamy is considered anathema. The ONLY grounds anyone has for it are "I don't like it", which tends to be (though not exclusively) a religious perspective. Homosexuality and polygamy do not in any way equate to incest or beastiality, due to the ability/inability to consent in the relevant relationships. If you want to argue the polygamy point, please do so as a separate entity to the homosexuality issue.

There are some quite practical (that is, not religious/"moral" reasons) to distinguish polygamy from homosexuality. Specifically, polygamists tend to have a lot more kids, and unless very tightly controlled, tend to migrate to a situation where a few males have lots of wives and many are left without. This could be its own thread, so I won't go into a lot of details, but ousting of younger males and lowering the female age of "consent" are often part of what happens.

Both are indeed quite different from beastiality and incest.

[john9blue]

as a guy who, like most my age, struggles to find poontang, i am fully against polygamy and other measures which artificially reduce the supply even further.

gay marriage is fine though, less guys taking our women.

that is all this misogynist bastard has to say about the issue.

[Symmetry]

as a guy who, like most my age, struggles to find poontang, i am fully against polygamy and other measures which artificially reduce the supply even further.

gay marriage is fine though, less guys taking our women.

that is all this misogynist bastard has to say about the issue.

You know, polygamy could also allow a woman to take multiple husbands. In practice, it's pretty much never about that, but in theory...

[PLAYER57832]

as a guy who, like most my age, struggles to find poontang, i am fully against polygamy and other measures which artificially reduce the supply even further.

gay marriage is fine though, less guys taking our women.

that is all this misogynist bastard has to say about the issue.

You know, polygamy could also allow a woman to take multiple husbands. In practice, it's pretty much never about that, but in theory...

Technically, no.. that's called Polyandry, not polygamy

Of course, he is forgetting lesbians.

[Symmetry]

as a guy who, like most my age, struggles to find poontang, i am fully against polygamy and other measures which artificially reduce the supply even further.

gay marriage is fine though, less guys taking our women.

that is all this misogynist bastard has to say about the issue.

You know, polygamy could also allow a woman to take multiple husbands. In practice, it's pretty much never about that, but in theory...

Technically, no.. that's called Polyandry, not polygamy

You are right, sort of, polyandry is a type of polygamy. Polygamy just means married multiple times, basically. There's probably also a word for the subset of polygamy where men have multiple wives.

[EDIT] Yes- Symmetry should just check wiki next time. The men with multiple wives word is apparently polygyny, but both types refer to polygamy.

[PLAYER57832]

as a guy who, like most my age, struggles to find poontang, i am fully against polygamy and other measures which artificially reduce the supply even further.

gay marriage is fine though, less guys taking our women.

that is all this misogynist bastard has to say about the issue.

You know, polygamy could also allow a woman to take multiple husbands. In practice, it's pretty much never about that, but in theory...

Technically, no.. that's called Polyandry, not polygamy

You are right, sort of, polyandry is a type of polygamy. Polygamy just means married multiple times, basically. There's probably also a word for the subset of polygamy where men have multiple wives.

[EDIT] Yes- Symmetry should just check wiki next time. The men with multiple wives word is apparently polygyny, but both types refer to polygamy.

OK.. I get this, then...

[john9blue]

yeah, i'm pretty sure a higher percentage of men are gay than women, and men would be more likely to have multiple wives, if for no other reason than the cultural double standard of promiscuous men being "alpha males" yet promiscuous women being "dirty sluts".

[Symmetry]

yeah, i'm pretty sure a higher percentage of men are gay than women, and men would be more likely to have multiple wives, if for no other reason than the cultural double standard of promiscuous men being "alpha males" yet promiscuous women being "dirty sluts".

Fair point, but I have to question the line on male vs female homosexuality.

Are gay? Or who will admit to being gay? It's kind of difficult to assess, especially when there's a double standard about how women are treated vs men. If we accept that double standard, then surely there would be fewer women (as a percentage) willing to admit to being homosexual in any given poll out of fear of the stigma.

I don't know either way about the numbers, but your argument has another side to it at least.

[john9blue]

yeah, i'm pretty sure a higher percentage of men are gay than women, and men would be more likely to have multiple wives, if for no other reason than the cultural double standard of promiscuous men being "alpha males" yet promiscuous women being "dirty sluts".

Fair point, but I have to question the line on male vs female homosexuality.

Are gay? Or who will admit to being gay? It's kind of difficult to assess, especially when there's a double standard about how women are treated vs men. If we accept that double standard, then surely there would be fewer women (as a percentage) willing to admit to being homosexual in any given poll out of fear of the stigma.

I don't know either way about the numbers, but your argument has another side to it at least.

well i was going to go into detail about how women's sexuality isn't as binary as men's, and it's harder to classify them by conventional sexual orientation guidelines, but instead i will refer you to this video.

[Symmetry]

yeah, i'm pretty sure a higher percentage of men are gay than women, and men would be more likely to have multiple wives, if for no other reason than the cultural double standard of promiscuous men being "alpha males" yet promiscuous women being "dirty sluts".

Fair point, but I have to question the line on male vs female homosexuality.

Are gay? Or who will admit to being gay? It's kind of difficult to assess, especially when there's a double standard about how women are treated vs men. If we accept that double standard, then surely there would be fewer women (as a percentage) willing to admit to being homosexual in any given poll out of fear of the stigma.

I don't know either way about the numbers, but your argument has another side to it at least.

well i was going to go into detail about how women's sexuality isn't as binary as men's, and it's harder to classify them by conventional sexual orientation guidelines, but instead i will refer you to this video.

Meh- my pony vids are better.

Perhaps though, and I'm just saying here, conventional sexual orientation guidelines (and I haven't read the guide) are maybe flawed if they don't apply to the (slight) majority of the world's population- women.

Perhaps the guidelines need to be changed from what is traditional.