[Abandoned] - Conquer National Bank

[natty dread]

oh and btw i fixed the slant issues

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Yeah that looks better.

I wish I could think of more comments on your map, but I got nothing. It seems like a very well thought out plan.

This would seem ready for the graphics workshop, to me.

[a.sub]

thanks

[iancanton]

is it confirmed that there are exactly 24 starting regions, being the non-bonusable people only, while all of the thugs, alarms, money carts and doors (as well as the getaway car) start neutral? lzrman, can u update the first post with this information?

a.sub, is there a version where we can see the number of starting neutrals on each region?

ian.

[a.sub]

is it confirmed that there are exactly 24 starting regions, being the non-bonusable people only, while all of the thugs, alarms, money carts and doors (as well as the getaway car) start neutral? lzrman, can u update the first post with this information?

a.sub, is there a version where we can see the number of starting neutrals on each region?

ian.

will do, where can i get the neutral numbers 0-9?

[a.sub]

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[a.sub]

please note these are approx. locations of the numbers, lzrman will be taking care of that with the XML
PS. i did get the neutral count right? im paranoid i messed one up

[iancanton]

laura currently has exclusive access to jack the hat's gun. swap the positions of jack the hat and private avi, then move tlane inside that room, between laura and the gun. incidentally, why is avi a private? shouldn't he be a detective or something? it's not a military bank.

similarly, adith currently has exclusive access to the guns of both cop killer corinne and big tuna. try swapping the positions of sarah and sir fred.

andrei and andrew are very similar and will appear consecutively in the dropdown lists. u need to rename one of them, so that they don't cause chester or joy to assault the wrong one.

each stash decays by 1 troop each turn, am i right? let each stash start with only 1 neutral, otherwise i don't see anyone taking them. make the objective hold 5 stashes and the getaway car to win!. in non-fog games, holding all 6 stashes simultaneously is so difficult that an objective win will be almost as rare as in feudal war.

sheriff has been misspelled as sherrif.

http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chamber ... title=21st

getaway ought to be one word.

http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chamber ... title=21st

in the legend, alter the wording for the alarms and stashes to alarms and stashes are each rigged to kill off one man each turn. avoid using reinforcements here, since this word means something else in the cc rules.

ian.

[a.sub]

laura currently has exclusive access to jack the hat's gun. swap the positions of jack the hat and private avi, then move tlane inside that room, between laura and the gun. incidentally, why is avi a private? shouldn't he be a detective or something? it's not a military bank.

solution

so does something like this work?


and yeah ill change avi to a detective

similarly, adith currently has exclusive access to the guns of both cop killer corinne and big tuna. try swapping the positions of sarah and sir fred.

solution

well now that tlane has been moved why not make Adith a starting neutral instead of tlane

andrei and andrew are very similar and will appear consecutively in the dropdown lists. u need to rename one of them, so that they don't cause chester or joy to assault the wrong one.

solution

ill switch Andrew's and Robert's positions

each stash decays by 1 troop each turn, am i right? let each stash start with only 1 neutral, otherwise i don't see anyone taking them. make the objective hold 5 stashes and the getaway car to win!. in non-fog games, holding all 6 stashes simultaneously is so difficult that an objective win will be almost as rare as in feudal war.

solution

well money stashes decay one while alarms just get rid of 1 droppable troop, and on that note is 5 too much too? because we seem to have more ways to lose troops than gain them, how about 4 or even 3?

sheriff has been misspelled as sherrif.

http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chamber ... title=21st

getaway ought to be one word.

http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chamber ... title=21st

solution

well my embarrasingly bad spelling has been revealed
will be fixed

in the legend, alter the wording for the alarms and stashes to alarms and stashes are each rigged to kill off one man each turn. avoid using reinforcements here, since this word means something else in the cc rules.

solution

can we say
"But watch out, alarms will stop one
man from joining you, and the stashes are
rigged to kill a man off each stash ."

ian.

Thanks!

[Hopscotcher]

I agree that Adith should be a starting neutral, but I always saw Lara as one of those hard to work positions.

You have access to a gun, but to go anywhere from there, you have to either go through alarms. 2 of them for the door!

Or into the mess of people out there. I kind of like her as is.

ALSO:::::::::

Howabout.... Alarms will cost you one troop each round and Stashes will decay by one troop each round, so be careful what you nab, thugs or the gig might just be up!

Or you know, something else that basically says the same thing, but sounds cooler (you're much better at that than I am!)

I think 5 with the Car is a good number. there are 3 in the vault, so having 2 more is hard, but not unattainable. I also think 2 is a good number for the neutrals on the stashes. Making them 1's is kinda just making them boring.

I really want to see this succeed, so If my 2 bits are unwelcome, I'll shuddup!

[iancanton]

laura currently has exclusive access to jack the hat's gun. swap the positions of jack the hat and private avi, then move tlane inside that room, between laura and the gun. incidentally, why is avi a private? shouldn't he be a detective or something? it's not a military bank.

solution

so does something like this work?


and yeah ill change avi to a detective

similarly, adith currently has exclusive access to the guns of both cop killer corinne and big tuna. try swapping the positions of sarah and sir fred.

solution

well now that tlane has been moved why not make Adith a starting neutral instead of tlane

I agree that Adith should be a starting neutral, but I always saw Lara as one of those hard to work positions.

You have access to a gun, but to go anywhere from there, you have to either go through alarms. 2 of them for the door!

Or into the mess of people out there. I kind of like her as is.

a.sub has presented a neat solution here. hopscotcher has a point about it being hard for laura to go anywhere, but she can stay put after taking the gun, protected by neutrals and alarms: the +2 isn't auto-deploy, so the troops can be deployed somewhere else.

andrei and andrew are very similar and will appear consecutively in the dropdown lists. u need to rename one of them, so that they don't cause chester or joy to assault the wrong one.

solution

ill switch Andrew's and Robert's positions

this might be enough. however, be prepared for complaints about misdeployments during the beta stage!

I think 5 with the Car is a good number. there are 3 in the vault, so having 2 more is hard, but not unattainable. I also think 2 is a good number for the neutrals on the stashes. Making them 1's is kinda just making them boring.

how about if we try it with 4 or 5 stashes plus the car to win, with 2 neutrals on each stash, as hopscotcher suggests?

to even up the distribution of thugs a bit, i propose swapping the positions of sonny and mo. 3 people will then have access to that thug, in a corner that has little else going for it.

what do u think about 4 neutrals per thug, so that it isn't so easy to accumulate multiple bonuses quickly, especially in the bottom right?

ian.

[Hopscotcher]

I like the switch for Sonny and Mo

I agree that 4 might be good for the Thugs:
If we make them 4, I see a lot of people simply dropping their first turn though. With 4, you usually need at least 7 persons to take a thug, but then once you get one, your dropping 5 and you can start nabbing more. The more I think about it, it makes more sense, but it will slow down the map in the beginning. Which in my mind would be a nice change from say........ Jamaica

Couldn't we just rename Andrew or Andrei::::::::::: if we want a Russian name, we could call him Nicoli

Getaway car to 6?

That's my 2 bits.

[natty dread]

we want a Russian name

Sergei? Boris? Ivan? Fjodor?

[a.sub]

just stapled my pointer and middle finger together at work today, doesnt hurt but i have to type with out em which is a bitch so ill respond tomorrow lol

[Hopscotcher]

just stapled my pointer and middle finger together at work today, doesnt hurt but i have to type with out em which is a bitch so ill respond tomorrow lol

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just noticed this and it's not gameplay, but some of the Alarms don't reallly look like alarms. There needs to be either A: Consistent placement of the Red Waves or B: Another way to indicate Alarms I.E. a different colored DOT.

[lzrman]

just stapled my pointer and middle finger together at work today, doesnt hurt but i have to type with out em which is a bitch so ill respond tomorrow lol

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just noticed this and it's not gameplay, but some of the Alarms don't reallly look like alarms. There needs to be either A: Consistent placement of the Red Waves or B: Another way to indicate Alarms I.E. a different colored DOT.

Could always code the Alarms with Red Borders around the circle and thugs another color? just a thought

[rishaed]

just stapled my pointer and middle finger together at work today, doesnt hurt but i have to type with out em which is a bitch so ill respond tomorrow lol

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just noticed this and it's not gameplay, but some of the Alarms don't reallly look like alarms. There needs to be either A: Consistent placement of the Red Waves or B: Another way to indicate Alarms I.E. a different colored DOT.

Could always code the Alarms with Red Borders around the circle and thugs another color? just a thought

sounds like an ameable solution

[Hopscotcher]

just stapled my pointer and middle finger together at work today, doesnt hurt but i have to type with out em which is a bitch so ill respond tomorrow lol

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just noticed this and it's not gameplay, but some of the Alarms don't reallly look like alarms. There needs to be either A: Consistent placement of the Red Waves or B: Another way to indicate Alarms I.E. a different colored DOT.

Could always code the Alarms with Red Borders around the circle and thugs another color? just a thought

Again......... it's grahics. I really like the WAVES. I just think they just need to be in the same location on every Alarm.

[a.sub]

what if the waves were the army circles?

TO DO list
Rearrange the circles as show in the poorly drawn thing above
Make Adith neutral
switch robert and andrew
rephrase text to remove the word "reinforcements" and say that u only need 5 to win
spell sheriff and getaway properly
make stashes 1 neutral
make thugs 4 neutral


i think thats everything right?

[Hopscotcher]

what if the waves were the army circles?

TO DO list
Rearrange the circles as show in the poorly drawn thing above
Make Adith neutral
switch robert and andrew
rephrase text to remove the word "reinforcements" and say that u only need 5 to win
spell sheriff and getaway properly
make stashes 1 neutral
make thugs 4 neutral


i think thats everything right?

5 to win, but Stashes at 2. I think that is what we all agreed looked good.

We were talking about simply renaming Andrew or Andrei with a more distinctive name. (Boris?)

Everything else you listed is correct. At some point, you are going to have to make the alarms more uniform graphically, so that you can glance at a spot and know if it is or is not an alarm. I like the waves because it looks like they are blowing a whistle or literally setting off an alarm. but again. graphics, not gameplay.

[a.sub]

what if the waves were the army circles?

TO DO list
Rearrange the circles as show in the poorly drawn thing above
Make Adith neutral
switch robert and andrew
rephrase text to remove the word "reinforcements" and say that u only need 5 to win
spell sheriff and getaway properly
make stashes 1 neutral
make thugs 4 neutral


i think thats everything right?

5 to win, but Stashes at 2. I think that is what we all agreed looked good.

We were talking about simply renaming Andrew or Andrei with a more distinctive name. (Boris?)

Everything else you listed is correct. At some point, you are going to have to make the alarms more uniform graphically, so that you can glance at a spot and know if it is or is not an alarm. I like the waves because it looks like they are blowing a whistle or literally setting off an alarm. but again. graphics, not gameplay.

Stashes are already 2
Andrei will be Vladamir lol
lemme try something and we shall see what people think

[a.sub]

UPDATED
OFFICIAL UPDATE

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THEORY
what do you guys think of this color coordination to make it easier to see?
THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL

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[Hopscotcher]

The Red blends in too much. Try Orange?????

LOVING the Yellow Thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[natty dread]

Vladamir -> Vladimir.

[lzrman]

The Red blends in too much. Try Orange?????

LOVING the Yellow Thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree'd on the Yellow Thugs, try Orange or even lime green :O

[rishaed]

The Red blends in too much. Try Orange?????

LOVING the Yellow Thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree'd on the Yellow Thugs, try Orange or even lime green :O

very nicely done if we are all agreed on gameplay now maybe we can get the Boys in Blue, BB, to come and give this map a very deserving gameplay and maybe even graphics stamp