put yer name down if you want a free palestine

[Aidan Kerr]

please show ypour support to cause close to my heart

[Nickbaldwin]

All that land for nothing?? Can't say no to that

[Hitman079]

All that land for nothing?? Can't say no to that

Strange how it took quite a few years for someone to finally take the Free Tibet, and it was Homer Simpson. No word on what he has done with it since then.

[GabonX]

Everyone wants a free Palestine, but it will not be possible until they stop using terrorism as a form of diplomacy and recognize Israel's right to exist as well. When the Palestinians elected Hamas to office (a group which encourages the murder of students and other civillians as readily as soldiers) they set the peace process back by years.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5115

[got tonkaed]

Or at the very least until then...They should have the right to vote, which would probably go a long way toward moderation on both sides.

[GabonX]

Or at the very least until then...They should have the right to vote, which would probably go a long way toward moderation on both sides.

They do vote. They elected Hamas...

[Dekloren]

Israel does not exist.

[GabonX]

Israel does not exist.

Haha, allright...

Well then the Palestinians have nothing to complain about do they?

[GabonX]

http://www.debka.com/search.php?type=he ... ate&page=3

New poll shows rising Palestinian support for violence – report
March 23, 2008, 4:55 PM (GMT+02:00)

Palestinian pollster Khalil Shikaki told the New York Times in Ramallah that 84 percent of the Palestinians polled supported the March 6 attack on the Mercaz Harav yeshiva in which 8 young students were killed,.

He reported 64 percent supported the Hamas’ missile offensive against Israeli towns and 75 percent though the negotiations between Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas were without benefit and should be terminated. Shikaki said he was shocked by the survey taken last week because it showed greater Palestinian support for violence than any other he had conducted in the past 15 years.


Whether or not you side with Israel I would hope that the murder of non combatants at a university would be denounced. Hamas saying this is allright puts them on par with the Columbine and Virginia Tech killers.

[got tonkaed]

Im pretty sure the palestinians who live in Israel do not have the same voting rights as the israelis.

[DangerBoy]

Or at the very least until then...They should have the right to vote, which would probably go a long way toward moderation on both sides.

They do vote. They elected Hamas...

Darn it! You beat me to the point.

[GabonX]

Im pretty sure the palestinians who live in Israel do not have the same voting rights as the israelis.

You are incorrect

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... f18.html#a

MYTH

"Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens."

FACT

Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).1

Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry. Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio. An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.

Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. More than 300,000 Arab children attend Israeli schools. At the time of Israel's founding, there was one Arab high school in the country. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools.2

In 2002, the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled that the government cannot allocate land based on religion or ethnicity, and may not prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose.2a

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This is to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, Bedouins have served in paratroop units and other Arabs have volunteered for military duty. Compulsory military service is applied to the Druze and Circassian communities at their own request.

Some economic and social gaps between Israeli Jews and Arabs result from the latter not serving in the military. Veterans qualify for many benefits not available to non-veterans. Moreover, the army aids in the socialization process.

On the other hand, Arabs do have an advantage in obtaining some jobs during the years Israelis are in the military. In addition, industries like construction and trucking have come to be dominated by Israeli Arabs.

Although Israeli Arabs have occasionally been involved in terrorist activities, they have generally behaved as loyal citizens. During the 1967, 1973 and 1982 wars, none engaged in any acts of sabotage or disloyalty. Sometimes, in fact, Arabs volunteered to take over civilian functions for reservists. During the outbreak of violence in the territories that began in September 2000, Israeli Arabs for the first time engaged in widespread protests with some violence.

The United States has been independent for almost 230 years and still has not integrated all of its diverse communities. Even today, 60 years after civil rights legislation was adopted, discrimination has not been eradicated. It should not be surprising that Israel has not solved all of its social problems in only 57 years.

[Aidan Kerr]

As stated previously in The CIA as a Terrorist Organization "terrorism" is here taken to mean the practice of the deliberate inflicting (either directly or indirectly) of harm, injury, death and/or destruction upon a civilian target sufficient to cause horror, revulsion or despair among civilian populations and/or their political leaders, with the goal of causing those populations or political leaders to act in a way desired by the terrorists.
A terrorist state is a state which practices terrorism, even if it pretends (or rather, lies) to the world that it does not. It hardly needs to be pointed out that Israel is a terrorist state. Brutal repression of, and bloody attacks on, Palestinian civilians with the official Israeli aim of causing a change in the policies or actions of the Palestinian leadership is a clear case of terrorism.

One of the vilest acts of terrorism committed by Israel was the assassination on 2004-03-22 of the 67-year old spiritual head of Hamas, an organization which, as well as resisting Israel's illegal occupation of the West Bank, attempts to provide educational, medical, etc., services to the Palestinian people, whose social infrastructure has been practically destroyed by Israel.

Israel assassinates Hamas founder and leader


Hamas spiritual leader Shiekh Ahmed Yassin was killed at daybreak Monday when Israeli helicopters fired missiles at his car as he left a mosque near his house in Gaza City.
Kawther Salam: The assassination of Sheikh Yassin was written between the Lines of the U.S. Road Map

And then a month later Israel used the same method (a missile fired from a U.S.-supplied helicopter gunship) to murder Sheikh Yassin's successor, Abdel Aziz Rantissi (his son was also killed in the attack).

There is no limit to Israel's depravity. Every abomination is followed by a worse abomination. It is almost as if Israel is taunting the world by heaping evil on top of evil.



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Israel has been a terrorist state from its beginning, and has its foundations in terrorism. Three Israeli prime ministers were or are terrorists:

Menachim Begin took part in terrorist acts in the 1940s, including the attack on the King David Hotel which killed 91 people.
Begin ordered ... the destruction of the central British administrative offices in the King David Hotel. — Jewish Virtual Library

In 1946, Jewish terrorists agitating for their own state in British-occupied Palestine blew up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, killing 91. Two years later, an independent Israel was established. "There were a lot of innocent British women and children killed there," says Hanson. "But in the end, it worked; the British left." — Some Dirty Little Secrets About Terrorism

Yitzhak Shamir was the operations commander, and later leader, of the Stern Gang, a terrorist group which was responsible for a string of political assassinations.

Shamir was a member of two militant Jewish underground organizations which ... were active in counter-terrorist acts against Arabs as well as sabotage against the British. — The Department for Jewish Zionist Education (Note the use of the term counter-terrorist to disguise terrorism.)

In post-war British-mandated Palestine the words Stern Gang equalled "terrorism" — assassinations, bombings, the full works. ... Yitzhak Shamir had been the gang's operations commander. ... By appointing Shamir Foreign Minister, Prime Minister Menachem Begin had selected the organiser of two famous assassinations: the killing of Lord Moyne, the British Minister representative in the Middle East, in 1944, and that of Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN's special Mediator on Palestine, in 1948. — Stern Gang: what does 'mekhabbel' mean?

During the fight for Jewish statehood, extremist military groups sometimes resorted to the use of terrorist tactics. One such instance occurred in 1948 when members of the Jewish underground organization LEHI (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) killed UN Peace Mediator Count Folke Bernadotte to protest his diplomatic efforts to modify the Palestine partition plan. ... Yitzhak Shamir reputedly played a role in planning the assassination; however, he was never tried and went on to become Prime Minister of Israel. — The Assassination of Count Bernadotte

Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre in which between 1000 and 3000 people (mostly Palestinians) were murdered, and now leads a terrorist campaign against all Palestinians living in the occupied territories of the West Bank.

As commander of the notorious Unit 101, Sharon led attacks on Palestinian villages in which women and children were killed. The massacre in the West Bank village of Qibya, on October 14, 1953, was perhaps the most notorious. His troops blew up 45 houses and 69 Palestinian civilians — about half of them women and children — were killed. — The Electronic Intifada

No one has ever been tried for the massacre, but an official Israeli commission of inquiry found that Israel's defense minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, "bears personal responsibility" as well as "indirect responsibility." It was Sharon, after all, who had ordered the Israel Defense Forces to invade Beirut and surround the camps. ... Like Pinochet and other war criminals, Sharon and his Phalangist underlings should be brought to book; if they can successfully evade justice, then it will give heart to killers everywhere. — Marking a Massacre, The Nation

Sharon's preemptive logic undercuts all form of dialogue and negotiations. Its rule of thumb is violence, and then more violence, whether it manifests itself as a military attack or as an aggressive act of dispossession. So while it may seem that the bloody routine is in some way preordained, it is actually Sharon's preemptive zeal alongside Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's fundamentalism that has clouded the horizon and concealed, as Arendt might have said, the possibility for a better future. — Neve Gordon, Sharon's Preemptive Zeal, Counterpunch, 2003-09-24
See also:

Ariel Sharon: Profile of an Unrepentant War Criminal

Sharon's willing accomplices

Gilad Atzmon: Sharon is the right man for the Job




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The Likud Party was founded by terrorists.


The terrorists of the 1940's were given full amnesty after establishing their nation, so instead of being brought to justice, they were able eventually to take power and keep all dissenters in line through terror and fear. The terrorists have become statesmen of the Jewish State. They have little moral ground to condemn modern Arab terrorists for doing what they themselves did in the 1940's and 1950's and have continued to do to the present day. — Zionism in Bible Prophecy: Part 6
And, of course, the terrorist state of the U.S.A. continues to support the terrorist state of Israel by giving it tanks, planes, rocket launchers and financial support to the tune of three billion dollars a year (why?), with which Israel has built up the fourth-largest military machine in the world. Israel's hegemony over the Middle East will continue, however, only as long as American money makes it possible. One day this money will no longer be forthcoming, for one reason or another. That will be Israel's Day of Reckoning. And none too soon either.



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See also:


Ronald Bleier: In the Beginning, There Was Terror

G. J. Neuberger: The Great Gulf Between Zionism and Judaism

Jacob de Haan, a former distinguished Dutch diplomat ... initiated talks with Arab leaders with a view toward the eventual establishments of a state there in which Jews and Arabs would have equal rights. In this way he hoped to forestall the creation of a Zionist state. Despite threats to his life, de Haan, fully aware of the ultimate dangers of a Zionist state, continued his talks and negotiations. On the eve of his departure in 1924 for Britain to meet with authorities there, he was assassinated by the Haganah, the Zionist paramilitary force, in the center of Jerusalem as he came from evening prayers.

David Hirst: The Lavon Affair

In July 1954 Egypt was plagued by a series of bomb outrages directed mainly against American and British property in Cairo and Alexandria. ... The trial established that the bombings had indeed been carried out by an Israeli espionage and terrorist network.

More Evidence Mossad Killed JFK Over Israeli Nukes

Israel's 'Use' Of Its Nuclear Weapons Against US

John Pilger: The Unmentionable Source of Terrorism

[Israel, the] creation, then guardian of the west's empire in the Middle East, the Zionist state remains the cause of more regional grievance and sheer terror than all the Muslim states combined. Read the melancholy Palestinian Monitor on the Internet; it chronicles the equivalent of Madrid's horror week after week, month after month, in occupied Palestine. No front pages in the West acknowledge this enduring bloodbath, let alone mourn its victims. Moreover, the Israeli army, a terrorist organisation by any reasonable measure, is protected and rewarded in the west.

FBI evidence of Mossad involvement in September 11 attacks on the U.S.?!

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Is Israel Planning a Nuclear Terrorist Attack in the US?
MadCow Morning News reported on 2004-05-20:

For the second time in the past two weeks Israelis in a moving van have been detained near a U.S. nuclear facility, this time at the Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base near St. Marys, GA., near Sea Island, host of the G-8 Summit next month.

Paul Howard, 2004-05-27: Terror In The US? — Back To The Old Shell Game

The Bush administration has come out full force this week with what they claim are mountains of intelligence that claim Al Queda is determined to hit America before the elections in a massive attack. ...
Could this be a way of trying to cover the fact that Israeli reservist teams have been found in this country working for "moving companies", yet they keep getting arrested around US nuclear facilities? And why do these people keep getting arrested, only to have the Feds step in to make sure they are released?


R. Leland Lehrman: Israeli Nationals, Nukes, And Attacks On US Nuclear Facilities

A short history of Israeli state terrorism


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The Assassination of Rafiq Hariri

A contributor to Al Jazeera's website wrote:

If some recent events are put together the finger pointing at Israel and the U.S. for Hariri's assassination will be more justified. The U.S. wants to attack Iran but fears that any attempt to do so will put Israel at risk from Hezbollah and Syrian troops. Being desperate, the U.S. connived with France to pass the most unacceptable and ridiculous resolution ever in UN history while they are in Iraq and Afghanistan, they want Syria out of Lebanon so that Israel has a free hand on Hezbollah in case of any attack on Iran. After the resolution failed to garner support, now the U.S. is using another strategy to cause a civil war in Lebanon. Al Hariri's assassination is clearly the combined efforts of the CIA and the Mossad.
See more on the assassination of Rafiq Hariri at Syria is Doomed.

And for a mention of a few acts of Israeli state terrorism from 1950 to the present see this article by Muhammad Idrees Ahmad

[got tonkaed]

lol yes i read that source too...its quite unbiased in its interpretation of the conflict dont you think?

While people from East jerusalem were allowed to vote in the palestinian elections, they are not allowed to vote in Israeli polls.

Amendment #9 to the 'Basic Law: The Knesset and the Law of Political Parties' passed on July 31, 1985, changed section 7(a) to state that a political party "may not participate in the elections if there is in its goals or actions a denial of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people, a denial of the democratic nature of the state, or incitement to racism."[99][100] One party currently banned under this law is the right-wing Jewish Kach party.[101]

Im pretty sure under that statute Hamas is not allowed to be apart of the elections that go on. So while palestinians may have some voting rights, they certainly would not appear to be full ones.

[GabonX]

Aidan Kerr I'm not going to quote your post because it is to long. Nobody, aside from me, is likely to read the whole thing. With that said I will adress a couple key issues...

First off any action against a member of Hamas is not an act of terror as being a member of Hamas means that you are not a civillian. Hamas is a terrorist orginization which supports the murder of children so in assassinating members of Hamas, Israel is conducting precision military strikes, not terror. By the same token if Hamas were to kill Olmert tomorrow, however detestable this action would be, it would not be an act of terrorism. When you enter take up a position of power in a warring government or group you lose your civillian status.

You want to talk about massacres prior to Israel's foundation? Let's talk about the massacre of Hebron where Jews were killed prior to any provocation by the state of Israel. This took place in 1929 which predates any of the things you have addressed. I don't expect you to address this as it is to devestating to the Palestinian argument but don't think that I won't bring it up again if you don't.

Any of the things you have posted which happened prior to 1948 are prior to Israel's independence and hence not an action of the state of Israel some of these things were wrong but these methods were renounced more than half a century ago while Palestinian terror caused a massacre in an Israeli University last month. There is a huge difference between a group which has renounced terror more than half a century ago and one which practices it to this day.

If you want to talk history though I have plenty more interesting tidbits. We could talk about Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, the most prominent Palestinian figure durring world war two who raised an army of millions for none other than Adolph Hitler. He hoped that the Nazis would extend their genocide to the Middle East, but I think that that topic is far to big for this thread...



I think you lost your credibility when you posted that Israel is plotting a nuclear strike against the US. Some of your content is viable but that particular part shows just how desperate you are to inspire anti semitism.

[got tonkaed]

I would certainly agree that too often a very thin line between having a pro-palestinian stance and espousing anti-semitism.

[GabonX]

lol yes i read that source too...its quite unbiased in its interpretation of the conflict dont you think?

While people from East jerusalem were allowed to vote in the palestinian elections, they are not allowed to vote in Israeli polls.

Amendment #9 to the 'Basic Law: The Knesset and the Law of Political Parties' passed on July 31, 1985, changed section 7(a) to state that a political party "may not participate in the elections if there is in its goals or actions a denial of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people, a denial of the democratic nature of the state, or incitement to racism."[99][100] One party currently banned under this law is the right-wing Jewish Kach party.[101]

Im pretty sure under that statute Hamas is not allowed to be apart of the elections that go on. So while palestinians may have some voting rights, they certainly would not appear to be full ones.

Hamas has ZERO credibility as they are a terrorist orginization which supports the murder of women and children.

Your post is on the border of being a blatant lie. An arab citizen of Israel has full voting rights, this has been addressed.

The law you have provided does not discriminate against arabs but rather against those who would destroy Israel. I'm surprised that you would even post this as it does not help your argument but rather shows that the Israelis are against "incitement to racism." On top of this it shows that the law is used to prohibit estremist Israelis from voting as it bans the right-wing Jewish Kach party from voting.

I think that you should scrutinize things like this before you post them if you want to strengthen your argument.

[got tonkaed]

Well i wouldnt disagree with you that its a silly law from the perspective of israel, after all who would want to allow people who might be against your very own gov. to be in the elections...very few states have that type of freedom.

However the problem is your creating a bit of a loophole in a legal sense which is unfair in terms of contextualizing the issue. If hamas is not allowed to the table, you essentially have disenfranchised a large number of people who do have the right to vote because the people they have elected do not have a seat at the table.

You certainly have the right to vote, unless you dont vote for who your suppose to is this type of logic when extended.

You seem to think i am farther against israel than i actually am. However the understanding you are putting out there is too simplistic. And if your going to shape all of the discussion that way, then your going to end up having a far different impression of the events as the unfold.

Im not going to tell you to not do that, its just that its intellectually dishonest.

Also its rather fair to mention that while arab citizens do have the right to vote, there isnt exactly a completly clean process to israel citizenship although the practices are open. There is a bit of a moral imperative against taking israeli citizenship, and while that burden does fall on the palestinian it is again cheating to assume that Israel is completly in the right there.

To sum up...while palestinians certainly do have the right to vote in a theorectical sense, i think we both know this isnt quite true in the practical sense, and if your going to parade around assuming it is, well i think your being a bit shortsighted.

[GabonX]

Well i wouldnt disagree with you that its a silly law from the perspective of israel, after all who would want to allow people who might be against your very own gov. to be in the elections...very few states have that type of freedom.

However the problem is your creating a bit of a loophole in a legal sense which is unfair in terms of contextualizing the issue. If hamas is not allowed to the table, you essentially have disenfranchised a large number of people who do have the right to vote because the people they have elected do not have a seat at the table.

You certainly have the right to vote, unless you dont vote for who your suppose to is this type of logic when extended.

You seem to think i am farther against israel than i actually am. However the understanding you are putting out there is too simplistic. And if your going to shape all of the discussion that way, then your going to end up having a far different impression of the events as the unfold.

Im not going to tell you to not do that, its just that its intellectually dishonest.

Also its rather fair to mention that while arab citizens do have the right to vote, there isnt exactly a completly clean process to israel citizenship although the practices are open. There is a bit of a moral imperative against taking israeli citizenship, and while that burden does fall on the palestinian it is again cheating to assume that Israel is completly in the right there.

To sum up...while palestinians certainly do have the right to vote in a theorectical sense, i think we both know this isnt quite true in the practical sense, and if your going to parade around assuming it is, well i think your being a bit shortsighted.

Hamas is not an orginization in Israel. They are in Palestine. Saying that Hamas should be able to hold seats in Israeli politics is like saying Hitler should have been allowed to run for president durring WW2.

Arabs hold seats in Israeli politics. Criminal arabs will not not be allowed to. This is not oversimplification of the issue, it is the statement of facts.

[got tonkaed]

I think part of the problem is that im trying to discuss things from the perspective of an eventual one state solution. Under that assertion, Hamas would likely in some capacity be involved in elections in Israel. Currently that would not be able to happen.

In essence i would argue that if you are not going to allow a two state solution you should allow a one state solution...which is the starting point from where i discussed the notion of voting rights.

Im not sure you support either solution, given the way you are charcterising palestinians.

[Jenos Ridan]

Israel does not exist.

At least, so says Hezbollah, Hamas, Hamas's finnacers in Tehran and Al Queda.

It will be a cold, snowy day in hell when I begin to align with that sort of scum.

[GabonX]

I think part of the problem is that im trying to discuss things from the perspective of an eventual one state solution. Under that assertion, Hamas would likely in some capacity be involved in elections in Israel. Currently that would not be able to happen.

In essence i would argue that if you are not going to allow a two state solution you should allow a one state solution...which is the starting point from where i discussed the notion of voting rights.

Im not sure you support either solution, given the way you are charcterising palestinians.

I'm not sure that either group favors a one state solution. I think that sharing the city of Jerusalem, allowing it to be a dual capital, might solve some problems but I don't think it will happen. I expect that the city will be conceded to Palestine in some peace deal and that it will do nothing to stop Palestinian terror.

Even if there were to be a one state solution it would only be possible after the destruction of Hamas or the eradication of Israeli citizens. Don't forget that Hamas has the destruction of Israel listed as one of their principle goals on their charter. Hamas was created for no other purpose than to murder. There are some exerpts from their charter below:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

The rest of it can be read here...
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

[got tonkaed]

Well i think if your going to keep looking at Hamas as only capable of murder its going to cloud your view of what can be accomplished. Im not really trying to be a hamas apologist, because lets face it, they have done some pretty awful things. But i think like anything else in terms of the conflict, we are talking about a group of people that was formed out of some injust circumstances.

There is a history of groups reforming over time when given a bit more of a position in a legitamate arena such as politics. I do feel there is a movement within hamas to push toward a more moderate approach. While your certainly not going to have hamas as the likud party holding hands any time soon, if people forever paint the elected group of palestinians as strictly terrorists your not going to get much accomplished either.

[GabonX]

Well i think if your going to keep looking at Hamas as only capable of murder its going to cloud your view of what can be accomplished. Im not really trying to be a hamas apologist, because lets face it, they have done some pretty awful things. But i think like anything else in terms of the conflict, we are talking about a group of people that was formed out of some injust circumstances.

There is a history of groups reforming over time when given a bit more of a position in a legitamate arena such as politics. I do feel there is a movement within hamas to push toward a more moderate approach. While your certainly not going to have hamas as the likud party holding hands any time soon, if people forever paint the elected group of palestinians as strictly terrorists your not going to get much accomplished either.

You are sugarcoating a bitter reality. Their charter attests that their primary goal is murder. Not everyone wants peace like you and I hopefully do.

Israel has said that they would hold talks with Hamas if they remove the destruction of Israel from their charter. Hamas refuses to do so. They would rather fight and they were elected by the Palestinian people to lead.

[got tonkaed]

There has been pressure on the palestinian side to get hamas to step away from those stances, though clearly its not enough as of yet.

I see a lot more movement on the palestinian side than on the israeli side toward peace, which is pretty shocking considering teh methods that are often used on the palestinian side.