Putin's Youth?

[GabonX]

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos. ... 398&page=1

[PLAYER57832]

I was going to make some crack about Putin not having a youth... but this video seems to make that the truth.

[LYR]

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185398&page=1

I watched the video and didn't understand what you were reffering to when you said "Putin's Youth." Then I was thinking about it today and realized you were reffering to Hitler youth.

Well... not exactly. Hilter youth was meant to take children away from their parents and bully, corrupt, and brainwash children into being steadfast followers of the Reich/Hitler. This... isn't the same. The Russians aren't even hiding it, either. They are training future soldiers and marines and what-not; not necessarily for war, but to protect Mother Russia. They are not training the kids to hate Jews and other minorities (which the Hitler youth did). That's not to mention that Hitler youth was much more brutal than this... they pushed kids to beat the living crap out of each other... this is just an army camp. Not that they don't have higher intentions than having fun, clearly, like I mentioned before, they don't really care if people know...

[GabonX]

They aren't the exact same thing but the similarities are striking. What caught me was that a major industrialized nation is training people from as young as 10 to be warriors. This demonstrates a very different way of thinking than what many people in the West are used to and it may be cause for some concern. I'm not sure that there is such a disparity in the harshness of the training either as, among other things, in the video I saw Kalashnikov assualt rifles pointed at preteens.

If people are trained from childhood to be warriors, there's really no place for them in a peaceful world as they would be out of the job. Such children are likely to turn into the type of adults who are notorious for crafting there own "stimulus packages" and I think it's important for people to consider the implications of this. This begs the question, should we be making similar preperations? If we do we are essentially preparing for war and if we don't we will be in an inferior state of readiness. Based on many historical precedents including that of Neville Chamberlain's promise of "peace in our time" a year before WW2 I am rather comfident in stating that weakness invites tyranny but that doesn't mean that there is an easy answer.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmvw7N-Nn1U

[LYR]

They aren't the exact same thing but the similarities are striking. What caught me was that a major industrialized nation is training people from as young as 10 to be warriors. This demonstrates a very different way of thinking than what many people in the West are used to and it may be cause for some concern. I'm not sure that there is such a disparity in the harshness of the training either as, among other things, in the video I saw Kalashnikov assualt rifles pointed at preteens.

If people are trained from childhood to be warriors, there's really no place for them in a peaceful world as they would be out of the job. Such children are likely to turn into the type of adults who are notorious for crafting there own "stimulus packages" and I think it's important for people to consider the implications of this. This begs the question, should we be making similar preperations? If we do we are essentially preparing for war and if we don't we will be in an inferior state of readiness. Based on many historical precedents including that of Neville Chamberlain's promise of "peace in our time" a year before WW2 I am rather comfident in stating that weakness invites tyranny but that doesn't mean that there is an easy answer.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmvw7N-Nn1U

...Those children still go to school. When they grow up, it is mandatory for them to join the army. After that, they will most likely get jobs and be productive members of society. They are not trained to be warriors 24/7. Just during the summer; remember, this is a summer camp, not a year-round military school aimed to make children into life-long soldiers. That's not to mention that not an abusrdly large amount of children go to these camps. If I remember correctly, the children who were part of Hitler Youth numbered in the tens of thousands. As for Kalashnikov rifles being pointed at children... well, first of all, they know they aren't going to be hurt, and second, Russian chilren are a bit tougher than children from other countries, especially the U.S. (my opinion).

This is, of course, debatable, but i I don't think that the Russians are expansionists. They don't want any more war, they have grown tired of it. They just want peace and the relative comfort that Western countries have been enjoying for decades.

[PLAYER57832]

I was going to make some crack about Putin not having a youth... but this video seems to make that the truth.

Clarification ... I don't get audio feed, so thought these were Pictures of Putin as a youth.

If it is a youth camp, I have to point out that we have quite a few of those here, too.

(not much in favor of them in either location)

[LYR]

I was going to make some crack about Putin not having a youth... but this video seems to make that the truth.

Clarification ... I don't get audio feed, so thought these were Pictures of Putin as a youth.

If it is a youth camp, I have to point out that we have quite a few of those here, too.

(not much in favor of them in either location)

Links?

[PLAYER57832]

I was going to make some crack about Putin not having a youth... but this video seems to make that the truth.

Clarification ... I don't get audio feed, so thought these were Pictures of Putin as a youth.

If it is a youth camp, I have to point out that we have quite a few of those here, too.

(not much in favor of them in either location)

Links?

Google "youth army camps" You will get pages of listings.

[aineolach]

Unfortunately I can't watch this from work but I'll be watching this as soon as I get home.

Three things spring to mind though: military summer camps (mentioned), the cadet corps and military schools. It's not like there isn't plenty of opportunity to put young people into the military culture in the west from a young age.

[cutebastard71]

They aren't the exact same thing but the similarities are striking. What caught me was that a major industrialized nation is training people from as young as 10 to be warriors. This demonstrates a very different way of thinking than what many people in the West are used to and it may be cause for some concern. I'm not sure that there is such a disparity in the harshness of the training either as, among other things, in the video I saw Kalashnikov assualt rifles pointed at preteens.

If people are trained from childhood to be warriors, there's really no place for them in a peaceful world as they would be out of the job. Such children are likely to turn into the type of adults who are notorious for crafting there own "stimulus packages" and I think it's important for people to consider the implications of this. This begs the question, should we be making similar preperations? If we do we are essentially preparing for war and if we don't we will be in an inferior state of readiness. Based on many historical precedents including that of Neville Chamberlain's promise of "peace in our time" a year before WW2 I am rather comfident in stating that weakness invites tyranny but that doesn't mean that there is an easy answer.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmvw7N-Nn1U

I am guessing that many people in "the West" are peaceful ? Right? Would you care to elaborate which nation was the only one to use nuclear weapons as well as which nation participated and/or started largest number of wars? It is very interesting that those people in the West always get somehow involved in wars to protect "something" "somewhere" and it ends up creating profits for companies who supported politicians starting these wars. So when you see so much "love" around yourself I guess you feel that you have to be ready that they will come for your oil and gas.

Western countries are constantly accusing Russia of some aggressiveness but if you look into American history after 1945 you will see that they were engaged in the largest number of wars. Of course it is always to "protect" something from somebody however all of these wars were related to securing cheap resources for the American economy. So if NATO is setting up missiles in Poland, and military airports in Central Asia as well as Baltic countries what is Russia to do ? Just sit and wait ?

So don't tell me that people in the West are peaceful ... just look into history of imperial (pre WWII) and post-imperial (after WWII) years and tell me which countries controlled the world ? The fact that they present this as defending freedoms and liberties is BS, it is all about strategic positions for the control of the resources. That is why the next big one will be in Asia because whoever controls Asia controls the world since that is where the largest resources are and where most of population is. However the cunning ways of anglo-saxon diplomacy are long time gone. Just look into this world and ask yourself why Iran and Turkey want nukes? Simply because it is the only way to ensure and/or reduce probability that somebody will come after you. Why do you think NATO wants missile shield in Poland? Because of Iran. BS, if you look into technical capabilities of Russian missiles you will understand why this missile shield has to be in Poland, Czech Republic, etc. And USA going all over the place and attacking different countries didn't contribute too much to peace and/or ensuring others that international law will be respected. Now Obama will say yes yes but that was before. Well those democratic hawks were not too convincing either while Clinton was in power. So I am guessing it will be a bumpy ride.

[GabonX]

I was going to make some crack about Putin not having a youth... but this video seems to make that the truth.

Clarification ... I don't get audio feed, so thought these were Pictures of Putin as a youth.

If it is a youth camp, I have to point out that we have quite a few of those here, too.

(not much in favor of them in either location)

You make a good point as there is something comperable here but what I'm seeing is different in that these are private schools for troubled teens. This is not the same as a state sponsered military camp designed to select the soldiers of tomorrow. The age is also relevant as the video stated that this kind of training begins as young as the age of 10. There may be such a program here and if you are aware of one I would be interested to know about it. Regardless I don't think that the kids would be forced to exercise under the watchful gaze of Obama. Then again, I don't want to be proven guilty of underestimating the man's arrogance

[aineolach]

I finally got to watch the video and I was really disappointed, it seemed extremely tame to myself. I'm not going to go into most of the things you said because we obviously had two very different impressions of the video. However on this I may be able to sway your mind...

Regardless I don't think that the kids would be forced to exercise under the watchful gaze of Obama.

Most programs like these (summer camps, schools and cadets) try to mimic the military customs and traditions of their country. So I wouldn't be surprised if the commander-in-chief was featured prominently in at least one location on the camp (e.g. the mess). They may not exercise under the watchful gaze of Obama but I'd wager they may eat under it (and Bush's gaze before that).

Actually, after watching it I thought it came across as the church in Russia trying anything to reach kids when they're young.

By the way, if you are opposed to state sponsored, military training, brainwashing and recruiting of very young kids there's a group for that (there always is), http://www.militaryfreeschools.org/