Secret Diplomacy Dond and Ragian [cleared]

[sideoutshu]

Accused:

Dond
Ragian




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy




Game number(s):

Game 5861255
Game 5830713
Game 5819449
Game 5806676



Comments: There are too many games to list, but it seems like these two are entering nearly 90% the same games and in most cases Dond is playing like a total idiot in an effort to dump the game to Ragain. I was in the process of foeing them both and noticed they are both from Denmark, and then realized that about 80% of the gamnes they poarticipate in are the same and that they are winning an abnormally high percentage of those games.

[jefjef]

Both signed on within 1 min of each other. 5:58 dond & 5:59 Ragian

and then Dond again at Last visited:
Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:00 pm

and then Ragian again at Last visited:
Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:02 pm

Some ones flipping between these two accounts = MULTI maybe

[darkangelsguy205]

i was thinking the same thing but there preemium but i think they are multi but should be ban ethier way

[TheForgivenOne]

2009-11-02 16:58:15 - DonD: HAHAHAHA!
2009-11-02 16:58:19 - Ragian: Hahaha

Might be multi's, but those are real close. Might be different browsers

[jefjef]

game 5830713.

Only thing in chat is.

009-10-28 12:42:40 - Ragian: Then kill him

2009-10-28 12:42:43 - DonD received 2 troops for holding Moselle

Thats 3 seconds before Dond began turn and eliminated the red player leaving just those 2. Ragian won it the next turn.

Game 5819449 one of the players had this to say in chat.

2009-10-26 16:23:44 - Stalin1976: Good Tag Team Guys... Have fun losing yellow.
Dond was yellow & ended up losing to Ragian

Game 5806676

009-10-24 10:29:38 - badacool: Green ? why
2009-10-24 10:29:47 - badacool: you are giving the game to blue

green = Ragian & Blue (Dond) won.

Something smells for sure.

[jefjef]

Dond on at Last visited:
Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:15 am

Ragain on at Last visited:
Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:18 am

Is this even being looked at? Is it [PENING]?

[king sam]

it is being looked at by Evil Semp

[Evil Semp]

I have responded to each piece of "proof' presented in this thread.

Comments: There are too many games to list, but it seems like these two are entering nearly 90% the same games and in most cases Dond is playing like a total idiot in an effort to dump the game to Ragain. I was in the process of foeing them both and noticed they are both from Denmark, and then realized that about 80% of the gamnes they poarticipate in are the same and that they are winning an abnormally high percentage of those games.

They only particapate in about 25% of the same games. That's a big difference.

game 5830713.

Only thing in chat is.

009-10-28 12:42:40 - Ragian: Then kill him

2009-10-28 12:42:43 - DonD received 2 troops for holding Moselle

Thats 3 seconds before Dond began turn and eliminated the red player leaving just those 2. Ragian won it the next turn.

The actual game chat
2009-10-28 12:30:03 - gefmos: blue is too strong
2009-10-28 12:42:40 - Ragian: Then kill him

Ragian was responding to gefmos.
Dond did not eliminate red.
2009-10-28 12:45:25 - Ragian eliminated gefmos [red] from the game in round - 6

Game 5819449 one of the players had this to say in chat.

2009-10-26 16:23:44 - Stalin1976: Good Tag Team Guys... Have fun losing yellow.
Dond was yellow & ended up losing to Ragian

Look at the game log, I don't see a tag team . I see some all out fighting.

Game 5806676

009-10-24 10:29:38 - badacool: Green ? why
2009-10-24 10:29:47 - badacool: you are giving the game to blue

green = Ragian & Blue (Dond) won.

That was in round 5 or 6. the game lasted 13 rounds. Green [ragian]] was attacking red [badacool] almost exclusively. It looked like blue [dond] and yellow [nimax] were about the same strength, no bonus for either of them.

We aren't here just to catch cheaters but to also clear the ones who are falsely accused of cheating.
I looked and I could not find conclusive proof that they have been engaged in secret diplomacy.

Dond and Ragian have been CLEARED of secret diplomacy and CLEARED of being multi's.

[jefjef]

Well my bad on game 5830713. I didnt see gefmos cuz I can't see foes.

It is good that you are here to clear those falsely accused. This stuff still seems strange though but whatever.

[sideoutshu]

I have responded to each piece of "proof' presented in this thread.

Comments: There are too many games to list, but it seems like these two are entering nearly 90% the same games and in most cases Dond is playing like a total idiot in an effort to dump the game to Ragain. I was in the process of foeing them both and noticed they are both from Denmark, and then realized that about 80% of the gamnes they poarticipate in are the same and that they are winning an abnormally high percentage of those games.

They only particapate in about 25% of the same games. That's a big difference.

game 5830713.

Only thing in chat is.

009-10-28 12:42:40 - Ragian: Then kill him

2009-10-28 12:42:43 - DonD received 2 troops for holding Moselle

Thats 3 seconds before Dond began turn and eliminated the red player leaving just those 2. Ragian won it the next turn.

The actual game chat
2009-10-28 12:30:03 - gefmos: blue is too strong
2009-10-28 12:42:40 - Ragian: Then kill him

Ragian was responding to gefmos.
Dond did not eliminate red.
2009-10-28 12:45:25 - Ragian eliminated gefmos [red] from the game in round - 6

Game 5819449 one of the players had this to say in chat.

2009-10-26 16:23:44 - Stalin1976: Good Tag Team Guys... Have fun losing yellow.
Dond was yellow & ended up losing to Ragian

Look at the game log, I don't see a tag team . I see some all out fighting.

Game 5806676

009-10-24 10:29:38 - badacool: Green ? why
2009-10-24 10:29:47 - badacool: you are giving the game to blue

green = Ragian & Blue (Dond) won.

That was in round 5 or 6. the game lasted 13 rounds. Green [ragian]] was attacking red [badacool] almost exclusively. It looked like blue [dond] and yellow [nimax] were about the same strength, no bonus for either of them.

We aren't here just to catch cheaters but to also clear the ones who are falsely accused of cheating.
I looked and I could not find conclusive proof that they have been engaged in secret diplomacy.

Dond and Ragian have been CLEARED of secret diplomacy and CLEARED of being multi's.

How could it be any more obvious?

They are signing into the site within a few seconds of eachother, OBVIOUSLY they are communicating outside of the site which in and of itself should be enough to keep them from playing the same games.

In the first game listed on the Europa map, one of them sat on the balkans for the entire game without having to defend them because the other wouldn't attack him.

I said 90% because I was looking at the recent history. I mean give me a break, look at the percentage of games that these two are playing in where one of them wins. Do you think that is coincidence? They are playing in 5 player games and winning at an 80% clip.

It is absolutely irrelevant whether they "attack eachother" or not, becuase when people are teaming up, the goal is to make ONE of them win, not both.

I am just trying to figure out if you are really saying that this is just a coincidence that these guys:

1. are from the same country;
2. sign in and out of the site together like clockwork;
3. play in a large amount of games together
4. have an abnormally high win % in the games in which they play together as opposed to the games they play apart;
5. Use the same expressions when they are typing.

How can this be so completely obvious to so many people and then have one person say they are "cleared"? Do they just say "we're not cheating" and you thake their word for it?

[sideoutshu]

Here are some interesting stats:

In the last 17 singles games these two have played together, they have won 13 and lost only 4. That is a 76% win rate.

Contrast that with the games that Dond plays alone....where he only won 2 of the last 12 (16%) games he played without his buddy.

I mean come on......you mean to tell me something here doesn't smell?

[sideoutshu]

bump.......

[king sam]

If you feel the decision that was made was an error please feel free to open up and E-Ticket to get this looked at by another set of eyes. But as of now this claim has been ruled upon as Cleared.

Thanks
King Sam

[Evil Semp]

Here are some interesting stats:

In the last 17 singles games these two have played together, they have won 13 and lost only 4. That is a 76% win rate.

Contrast that with the games that Dond plays alone....where he only won 2 of the last 12 (16%) games he played without his buddy.

I mean come on......you mean to tell me something here doesn't smell?

Please give me the criteria that you used so I can do a game search. I ran one for 3 through 8 player games and came up with 6 wins and 11 losses.

You accused them of being multis which they are CLEARED of. I didn't find enough evidence for secret diplomacy.

[sideoutshu]

Here are some interesting stats:

In the last 17 singles games these two have played together, they have won 13 and lost only 4. That is a 76% win rate.

Contrast that with the games that Dond plays alone....where he only won 2 of the last 12 (16%) games he played without his buddy.

I mean come on......you mean to tell me something here doesn't smell?

Please give me the criteria that you used so I can do a game search. I ran one for 3 through 8 player games and came up with 6 wins and 11 losses.

You accused them of being multis which they are CLEARED of. I didn't find enough evidence for secret diplomacy.

I simply went into Dond's "recently played" games, and went down the list. In the last 17 games the two of them have both been in, one of them (either Dond or Ragain) won 13 of the 17. I don't know how to search any other way.

The evidence of secret diplomacy is all over this thread.

1. They are from the same country (clearly not conclusive evidence, but as part of the overall picture is relevant)
2. They sign in and out of the site within SECONDS of eachother. (how else can this be explained other then that they are communicating outside of the site)
3. They play in a large number of games together and do not communicate with eachother during the chat. (indicating they are communicating elsewhere)
4. Their win % in games that they play together is DRASTICALLY higher then in games they play without one another.
5. Multiple games where one of them plays witha complete disregard for basic strategy to throw the game to the other.

[sideoutshu]

Here are some interesting stats:

In the last 17 singles games these two have played together, they have won 13 and lost only 4. That is a 76% win rate.

Contrast that with the games that Dond plays alone....where he only won 2 of the last 12 (16%) games he played without his buddy.

I mean come on......you mean to tell me something here doesn't smell?

Please give me the criteria that you used so I can do a game search. I ran one for 3 through 8 player games and came up with 6 wins and 11 losses.

You accused them of being multis which they are CLEARED of. I didn't find enough evidence for secret diplomacy.

I simply went into Dond's "recently played" games, and went down the list. In the last 17 games the two of them have both been in, one of them (either Dond or Ragain) won 13 of the 17. I don't know how to search any other way.

The evidence of secret diplomacy is all over this thread.

1. They are from the same country (clearly not conclusive evidence, but as part of the overall picture is relevant)
2. They sign in and out of the site within SECONDS of eachother. (how else can this be explained other then that they are communicating outside of the site)
3. They play in a large number of games together and do not communicate with eachother during the chat. (indicating they are communicating elsewhere)
4. Their win % in games that they play together is DRASTICALLY higher then in games they play without one another.
5. Multiple games where one of them plays witha complete disregard for basic strategy to throw the game to the other.

Anyone looked at this?

[king sam]

Anyone looked at this?

You have already been directed as to what to do if you feel this decision was made in mistake. I suggest you open up an E-Ticket about the claim if you wish to discuss this case further. As for now this is CLEARED.

[sideoutshu]

sigh......this is not a new complaint, it is the same complaint. I included "secret diplomacy" in my original complaint and he only ruled on the "multi" issue.

I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time filling out more nonsensical forms, I guess we'll just let them continue to cheat. My mistake for trying to help.

[king sam]

sigh......this is not a new complaint, it is the same complaint. I included "secret diplomacy" in my original complaint and he only ruled on the "multi" issue.

I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time filling out more nonsensical forms, I guess we'll just let them continue to cheat. My mistake for trying to help.

seriously, perhaps you should read the text you quoted from Evil Semp up above cause it clearly states a ruling on both Multi and Secret Diplomacy.

You accused them of being multis which they are CLEARED of. I didn't find enough evidence for secret diplomacy.

[sideoutshu]

sigh......this is not a new complaint, it is the same complaint. I included "secret diplomacy" in my original complaint and he only ruled on the "multi" issue.

I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time filling out more nonsensical forms, I guess we'll just let them continue to cheat. My mistake for trying to help.

seriously, perhaps you should read the text you quoted from Evil Semp up above cause it clearly states a ruling on both Multi and Secret Diplomacy.

You accused them of being multis which they are CLEARED of. I didn't find enough evidence for secret diplomacy.

and perhaps you should read the comments in this thread. It is plainly obvious to everyone what is going on. They sign in and out of the site within seconds of eachother. How do you explain that?

[king achilles]

Basically what you presented here is pretty much subjective. And no, they do not log in/out almost at the same time.

For now, let's clear and note this report for future reference.