natty_dread wrote:So Iceland is easy to grab in the beginning, but taking a bigger piece of land like Finland or Norway pays off better in the long run. Like it should be, IMO.
iceland is still a bit too powerful because of its corner position, especially in multiplayer. a +1 bonus fits better than a +2 because of the autodeploy - there are only 2 borders to defend and both of these have a buffer region can be passed back-and-forth for spoils, since there's no point in defending svalbard unless u also have north norway. austurland is better connecting to troms and not to svalbard (which can certainly keep its special bonus even if it's a dead-end - there's no contradiction here) because finnish lapland can then hit iceland in 2 steps, and vice versa, so that it's harder to sit safely in the corner. [/quote]
Hmm.
I still don't get, why Iceland is a problem with 2 borders, when Denmark is the same? They both have good expanding possibilities.
Well, I had a feature in mind... I was thinking about a triangle of one-way connections between Austurland, Svalbard and Troms. It would go like:
Austurland one-way attacks Troms.
Troms one-way attacks Svalbard.
Svalbard one-way attacks Austurland.
Although this may be a too complex structure for it. What do you think?
Anyway, as for lowering the bonus... well, I guess that could be done, but then I wonder if the area would become too weak... Now, when you hold Iceland, Faroe and Denmark you get 7 troops for 3 borders. If Iceland was a +1 you'd only get 6 troops...
I don't know, there has to be some kind of solution here.
natty_dread wrote:iancanton wrote:isn't there a huge forest, the taiga, in northern lapland? i suggest that we put a whole lot of trees between finnmark and finnish lapland (covering a large area, not just a single line of trees), so that the only way from finland to norway is from kasivarsi to troms - travel up there is supposed to be difficult!
Why is it supposed to be difficult? There are roads, you know. This is a map of the modern time nordic countries after all...
there are roads, but it's not the same as in the south, where there are major highways in all directions to connect big cities. some roads remain impassable for months during the winter. i again suggest a big impassable forest between finnmark and finnish lapland and, if u don't want to close off finnmark completely, then let kasivarsi attack both finnmark and troms. this will ensure that iceland is not the only easy bonus.
ian.
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...ok, well ... I also have doubts with this. See, Finnish Lapland already has only 3 borders. You can already hold all of Finland with only 4 borders. If I put a forest between Pohjois-Lappi and Finnmark, Finnish Lapland becomes only 2 borders, which is fine by itself, but then the whole of Finland is only 3 borders, and this would make it too strong when compared to other areas... The Iceland, Denmark & Faroe combination also has 3 borders, and you only get 7 troops for it currently. Where's the logic if Finland gets a shitload more troops with the same border count? (well, a few more troops anyway. But the imbalance would still be there.)
Also: Iceland is not the only easy bonus. There's Denmark.
Again this could be done with one-way borders. But I'm not at all sure if I want to implement one-way borders on this map.
But hey, please don't get discouraged with my attitude... It's just that the development of the gameplay has come a long way, so I want to chew this through good so that all the possible scenarios are dealt with, before going through with the changes.
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for about 15 minutes before I made move... that's not to say I don't enjoy maps that require more thought, it's just they all need some dedication and usually more than a few games before you get the hang of the strategy. However I mostly like to play the simple maps, the ones that you can take one look at and figure it out. Guess I'm kinda lazy... 
