sad Days for america

[Phatscotty]

Excuse me sir, but could you please turn your t-shirt inside out?

LAWSUIT!!!

[Woodruff]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfrancisc ... e-19586193

this is just sad. this is pathetic the lack of patriotism in this country where you could get sent home from school because you were red white and blue.

It annoys the hell out of me personally that those high school boys are wearing U.S. flag T-shirts anyway. Pisses me off when depictions of the flag are worn as clothing...it's not respectful in any way. But that's a different issue...

However, that being as it may...the boys were frankly TRYING to instigate trouble. Say what you want, but why else would they be wearing the t-shirts and bandanas on THIS PARTICULAR DAY when, per stated reports by other students, they didn't typically wear those shirts and bandanas? In my view, attempting to incite violence at school is worthy of being sent home.

Now, if it could be shown that these boys did typically wear these shirts and bandanas (by say...wearing them maybe a couple of times per month or so), then no they shouldn't be sent home because the situation is then a significantly different one.

free speech.... Displaying the flag is a pretty simple one.

There is a significant difference between "displaying the flag" and "wearing the flag", however.

Had I been in that school, and the principal asked me to turn my american flag inside out, I would reply

Over my dead body

That certainly seems very extreme, but it would be your right, just as their response was. And with all responses, there are consequences.

[Baron Von PWN]

Excuse me sir, but could you please turn your t-shirt inside out?

LAWSUIT!!!

I love those shirts the irony is delicious.

[BigBallinStalin]

Wouldn't you say that those American flag-wearing miscreants were actually "trolling?"

[Woodruff]

Wouldn't you say that those American flag-wearing miscreants were actually "trolling?"

I think that if they don't wear such shirts on a somewhat routine basis, that's an unavoidable depiction...and an accurate one.

[Phatscotty]

this is actually surprising...

[jefjef]

Not a thing wrong with patriotism.

[demonfork]

So from woodfucks perspective, if the 5th of May is the only day out of the year that those students chose to wear patriotic clothing, they should be sent home for doing so because they didn't wear it any other time during the year? But say they wore it every other Tuesday, then it would be okay for them to wear it on the 5th of May? Brilliant logic dude!

BTW, did you see the part where the where the district representative stated that Live Oaks decision to send the students home was not concurrent with district policy?

[jbrettlip]

I wish they would have burned the Mexican flag to protest Mexico's immigration policies. In fact that should be done at every Cinco de Mayo rally or "arizona protest" from now on.

[Phatscotty]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfrancisc ... e-19586193

this is just sad. this is pathetic the lack of patriotism in this country where you could get sent home from school because you were red white and blue.

It annoys the hell out of me personally that those high school boys are wearing U.S. flag T-shirts anyway. Pisses me off when depictions of the flag are worn as clothing...it's not respectful in any way. But that's a different issue...

However, that being as it may...the boys were frankly TRYING to instigate trouble. Say what you want, but why else would they be wearing the t-shirts and bandanas on THIS PARTICULAR DAY when, per stated reports by other students, they didn't typically wear those shirts and bandanas? In my view, attempting to incite violence at school is worthy of being sent home.

Now, if it could be shown that these boys did typically wear these shirts and bandanas (by say...wearing them maybe a couple of times per month or so), then no they shouldn't be sent home because the situation is then a significantly different one.

free speech.... Displaying the flag is a pretty simple one.

There is a significant difference between "displaying the flag" and "wearing the flag", however.

Had I been in that school, and the principal asked me to turn my american flag inside out, I would reply

Over my dead body

That certainly seems very extreme, but it would be your right, just as their response was. And with all responses, there are consequences.

so, you would take down or remove your flag whenever asked by any person at any time?

Is my example really that extreme given the current climate?

The consequences of refusing to lower, cover, or remove my American flag, or any statement that I choose to make....???

Freedom

[targetman377]

it really does not matter if there intention was to incite trouble there was no trouble i think they did it because they did have American pride what is wrong with that. i think its stupid How is being patriotic incite violence?

[Phatscotty]

it really does not matter if there intention was to incite trouble there was no trouble i think they did it because they did have American pride what is wrong with that. i think its stupid How is being patriotic incite violence?

from an anti-american perspective, it is wicked smart.

HMMMMM

[targetman377]

it really does not matter if there intention was to incite trouble there was no trouble i think they did it because they did have American pride what is wrong with that. i think its stupid How is being patriotic incite violence?

from an anti-american perspective, it is wicked smart.

HMMMMM

There is no other country where you can get sent home from school for being patriotic. i do not see why al-kida is trying to kill us after we seem to being doing a good job at it our selves

[b.k. barunt]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfrancisc ... e-19586193

this is just sad. this is pathetic the lack of patriotism in this country where you could get sent home from school because you were red white and blue.

It annoys the hell out of me personally that those high school boys are wearing U.S. flag T-shirts anyway. Pisses me off when depictions of the flag are worn as clothing...it's not respectful in any way. But that's a different issue...

However, that being as it may...the boys were frankly TRYING to instigate trouble. Say what you want, but why else would they be wearing the t-shirts and bandanas on THIS PARTICULAR DAY when, per stated reports by other students, they didn't typically wear those shirts and bandanas? In my view, attempting to incite violence at school is worthy of being sent home.

Now, if it could be shown that these boys did typically wear these shirts and bandanas (by say...wearing them maybe a couple of times per month or so), then no they shouldn't be sent home because the situation is then a significantly different one.

Disrespectful to wear the flag? How about the teacher who told the kid to turn the shirt inside out?

The boys were making a statement. Like maybe "if your country is so great why are you all coming here?" That in itself should not "incite violence". The Mexicans in California are pissing off a lot of Anglos with shit like this. One might say that they're the ones inciting to violence.

You are so fooking terrified of violence that you drive people to such with your priggish, overly appropriate attitude. You're the kind of teacher whose home i would have vandalized when i was a kid. Get over yourself - if you acted this way on the street someone would eventually punch the f*ck outa you. Why do you insist on practicing asinine behavior that incites people to violence?


Honibaz

[silvanricky]

jefjef, I suggest very strongly that you take an English comprehension course. Forthwith! You sure are a dumbass sometimes.

I suggest you take your tired old cliche about comprehension skills and shove it straight up your anti-American, anti-first amendment ass. We're sick of hearing your little arrogant rants. You keep trying to portray yourself as being a superior intellectual who thinks things through, but you're just a partisan anti-free speech bigot.

[Woodruff]

So from woodfucks perspective, if the 5th of May is the only day out of the year that those students chose to wear patriotic clothing, they should be sent home for doing so because they didn't wear it any other time during the year? But say they wore it every other Tuesday, then it would be okay for them to wear it on the 5th of May? Brilliant logic dude!

You mean rather than attempt to apply some common sense to the situation, I should just be a jingoistic, flag-waving idiot who thinks that "my country, right or wrong" is the proper method of governance?

BTW, did you see the part where the where the district representative stated that Live Oaks decision to send the students home was not concurrent with district policy?

I did...and if the district deems that the action was inappropriate enough to take action against the administrators of that school, then that is their right and is a consequence of the administrators taking the action that they did. However, even in the military, there are times when not following orders IS the right thing to do.

[Woodruff]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfrancisc ... e-19586193

this is just sad. this is pathetic the lack of patriotism in this country where you could get sent home from school because you were red white and blue.

It annoys the hell out of me personally that those high school boys are wearing U.S. flag T-shirts anyway. Pisses me off when depictions of the flag are worn as clothing...it's not respectful in any way. But that's a different issue...

However, that being as it may...the boys were frankly TRYING to instigate trouble. Say what you want, but why else would they be wearing the t-shirts and bandanas on THIS PARTICULAR DAY when, per stated reports by other students, they didn't typically wear those shirts and bandanas? In my view, attempting to incite violence at school is worthy of being sent home.

Now, if it could be shown that these boys did typically wear these shirts and bandanas (by say...wearing them maybe a couple of times per month or so), then no they shouldn't be sent home because the situation is then a significantly different one.

free speech.... Displaying the flag is a pretty simple one.

There is a significant difference between "displaying the flag" and "wearing the flag", however.

Had I been in that school, and the principal asked me to turn my american flag inside out, I would reply

Over my dead body

That certainly seems very extreme, but it would be your right, just as their response was. And with all responses, there are consequences.

so, you would take down or remove your flag whenever asked by any person at any time?

Why would I? That doesn't make any sense, even given the situation we are discussing. My flag is not on public property, nor is it likely at all to cause school violence.

Is my example really that extreme given the current climate?

Extreme? No. Not relevant and not very good...yes.

The consequences of refusing to lower, cover, or remove my American flag, or any statement that I choose to make....???
Freedom

Absolutely...and with freedoms come consequences. That is life.

[Phatscotty]

and, what, for example, are some of the possible consequences, pertaining to the specific issue at hand, in your opinion?

[Woodruff]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfrancisc ... e-19586193

this is just sad. this is pathetic the lack of patriotism in this country where you could get sent home from school because you were red white and blue.

It annoys the hell out of me personally that those high school boys are wearing U.S. flag T-shirts anyway. Pisses me off when depictions of the flag are worn as clothing...it's not respectful in any way. But that's a different issue...

However, that being as it may...the boys were frankly TRYING to instigate trouble. Say what you want, but why else would they be wearing the t-shirts and bandanas on THIS PARTICULAR DAY when, per stated reports by other students, they didn't typically wear those shirts and bandanas? In my view, attempting to incite violence at school is worthy of being sent home.

Now, if it could be shown that these boys did typically wear these shirts and bandanas (by say...wearing them maybe a couple of times per month or so), then no they shouldn't be sent home because the situation is then a significantly different one.

Disrespectful to wear the flag?

In my personal opinion, yes.

How about the teacher who told the kid to turn the shirt inside out?

I actually would consider that disrespectful, yes. I also see the rationale in doing so.

The boys were making a statement. Like maybe "if your country is so great why are you all coming here?" That in itself should not "incite violence".

I agree 100%...it should not incite violence. And yet, it wouldn't be surprising at all if it did. And I can't help but believe that was their intention, given that they didn't typically wear such clothing otherwise.

You are so fooking terrified of violence that you drive people to such with your priggish, overly appropriate attitude.

Your willingness to speak out of ignorance really knows no bounds, does it B.K.? But hey...I guess you should stick with what you're good at.

You're the kind of teacher whose home i would have vandalized when i was a kid.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you were a vandal as a kid, given that you still seem to believe that intimidation and bullshit is the appropriate way to deal with other people.

Get over yourself - if you acted this way on the street someone would eventually punch the f*ck outa you. Why do you insist on practicing asinine behavior that incites people to violence?

Why do you insist on practicing such ignorance?

[Woodruff]

and, what, for example, are some of the possible consequences, pertaining to the specific issue at hand, in your opinion?

Consequences for whom? The kids or the administrators?

[Woodruff]

jefjef, I suggest very strongly that you take an English comprehension course. Forthwith! You sure are a dumbass sometimes.

I suggest you take your tired old cliche about comprehension skills and shove it straight up your anti-American, anti-first amendment ass. We're sick of hearing your little arrogant rants. You keep trying to portray yourself as being a superior intellectual who thinks things through, but you're just a partisan anti-free speech bigot.

Your inability to parse my response with jefjef's response to my post tells me that you've got the same trouble he does. You probably don't like my "tired old cliche" because it hits you square in your solar plexus.

Your inability to recognize my position regarding America, the First Amendment or free speech tells me that you're just not very intelligent yourself.

It amazes me how frequently you guys who rant about free speech are so willing to such it down amongst those who disagree with you.

[Phatscotty]

and, what, for example, are some of the possible consequences, pertaining to the specific issue at hand, in your opinion?

Consequences for whom? The kids or the administrators?

i do not know it was your statements that youve repeated twice. I already know you are getting lost here so I will rephrase my point.
the consequence is freedom!

[bradleybadly]

Now now, people! Woodfuck is just sticking up for his fellow comrades. We shouldn't be tolerating Americans expressing their first amendment rights, but we should be tolerating this:

[Woodruff]

and, what, for example, are some of the possible consequences, pertaining to the specific issue at hand, in your opinion?

Consequences for whom? The kids or the administrators?

i do not know it was your statements that youve repeated twice. I already know you are getting lost here so I will rephrase my point.
the consequence is freedom!

I'm not lost...but you seem to be trying to avoid asking a specific question, for some reason. I've discussed how there are consequences for both the kids and the administrators. So I'll ask again...which are you asking about? Gads, if you can't at least ask a specific question, why are you here?

[Woodruff]

Now now, people! Woodfuck is just sticking up for his fellow comrades. We shouldn't be tolerating Americans expressing their first amendment rights, but we should be tolerating this:

You don't seem to be very intelligent. Why is that?