sad Days for america

[thegreekdog]

Is Cinco de Mayo Mexican independence day? Or is it "We are illegal immigrants who have come to leech off of the government day?" Seems to me that wearing US colors on Mexican Independence Day shouldn't incite anything since Mexican independence has virtually nothing to do with the United States.

Oh, by the way - knock off the flaming guys. If you're going to talk about the issue, talk about the issue.

[Qwert]

hmm,im not understand what its school policy in US, but if school have flag of US on building,why these kid had t-shirt of US Flag? If he have right to have these t-shirt in scholl,then everybody can have t-shirt of hes country in school, but these can cause trouble,because can you imagine school class where some wear Iran,US,Korea,Libia,Mexico,and other t-shirt with flags.
In every country scholl building have flag ,so i dont understand why he need to wear t-shirt of US? what he want to show? If you are Patriot,then you have many other ways to show that.
Like some previous write-did Girl with US Colors bikini prepare to be pictured for Playboy show that she are patriot,or she doing that for money?
In mine vilage, in distance of 100 meters,you have 4 building with Country flag, and nobody wear t-shirt with flag colours. Maybe for sport competition these hepend,but in school no.

[Borderdawg]

Is Cinco de Mayo Mexican independence day? Or is it "We are illegal immigrants who have come to leech off of the government day?" Seems to me that wearing US colors on Mexican Independence Day shouldn't incite anything since Mexican independence has virtually nothing to do with the United States.

Oh, by the way - knock off the flaming guys. If you're going to talk about the issue, talk about the issue.

Nah, Sept. 16 is Mexican independence. The 5th of May was a battle between the Mexican Militia and a numerically superior French force at Puebla. All because Mexico defaulted on loan payments!!

[thegreekdog]

Is Cinco de Mayo Mexican independence day? Or is it "We are illegal immigrants who have come to leech off of the government day?" Seems to me that wearing US colors on Mexican Independence Day shouldn't incite anything since Mexican independence has virtually nothing to do with the United States.

Oh, by the way - knock off the flaming guys. If you're going to talk about the issue, talk about the issue.

Nah, Sept. 16 is Mexican independence. The 5th of May was a battle between the Mexican Militia and a numerically superior French force at Puebla. All because Mexico defaulted on loan payments!!

Okay. My point still stands (and is further illustrated by the fact that I don't know what Cinco De Mayo is celebrated for). Basically, Mexicans living in the United States should not be offended by someone wearing a US flag on Cinco de Mayo.

[targetman377]

cinco de Mayo is NOT celabrated in MEXICO just an FYI

ok woodruff you never answered my question? about if it was the 4th of july and they showed up to school wereing mexican flags? and they got sent home. would you agree with that dicsicion too? woodruff your whole argument rest on how you intrupet free speech. if it incite someone to violence then yes we should not say it the problem with that argument is woodruff When do we stop. if i say in a joking matter Woodruff i am going to kick your Ass. and i start laughing after words. are you going to beat me up first? when you start to say that speech is the reason for violence you walk a slippery slope

constitutional kids do not have the Right to Free Speech the Seprem court has up heid lots of disticts up for actions that block kids right to speech.for example kids saying "pong hits 4 jeses" they did not see the disrict at fault for sespending the kids.

saying that do you honestly feel that the kids who wore american flags where in intemet danger from there classmates?

[jonesthecurl]

Wow lots of opinions.
Seems a lot of fuss to me.
Here's a thought though: maybe wearing the US flag as a deliberate ploy to cause trouble (if indeed that's what the kids were doing) could itself be seen as disrespectful to the flag. Doesn't it annoy you to think that maybe these kids were using your sacred flag just to get up someone's nose?
As an analogy, I wouldn't see a bunch of people who wrapped themselves in St George's crosses at a St Patrick's day celebration to be merely announcing they were proud to be English.
And yes, if a bunch of kids turned out on 4th July being deliberately provocative in some way I would expect the same treatment.

[beezer]

This shows the true nature and mentality of many of the illegal immigrants. Arizona took the correct action to protect themselves.

[Woodruff]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfrancisc ... e-19586193

this is just sad. this is pathetic the lack of patriotism in this country where you could get sent home from school because you were red white and blue.

It annoys the hell out of me personally that those high school boys are wearing U.S. flag T-shirts anyway. Pisses me off when depictions of the flag are worn as clothing...it's not respectful in any way. But that's a different issue...

However, that being as it may...the boys were frankly TRYING to instigate trouble. Say what you want, but why else would they be wearing the t-shirts and bandanas on THIS PARTICULAR DAY when, per stated reports by other students, they didn't typically wear those shirts and bandanas? In my view, attempting to incite violence at school is worthy of being sent home.

Now, if it could be shown that these boys did typically wear these shirts and bandanas (by say...wearing them maybe a couple of times per month or so), then no they shouldn't be sent home because the situation is then a significantly different one.

Ah! Quite nice of you to finally expose your true colors there, Woodruff. The kids wearing the American flag on their clothes as a symbol are instigating trouble? You've got to be out of your mind. While most teenagers are out getting into real trouble, you're worried about these guys!!!

I can only say how overjoyed I am that someone as despicable as yourself is not allowed to influence my two kids. I only wish that I knew which school district you were teaching at so I could alert the parents to kick your butt out of a taxpayer funded position. I can't believe we as taxpayers have to put up with people like yourself denigrating patriotic expression.

Oh and beware, Woodruff!! Americans sometimes say the Pledge of Allegiance, sing the National Anthem, or celebrate the 4th of July. We can't allow these people to trick us into believing they're expressing themselves via the rights guaranteed by the Constitution! After all, they're doing nothing but inciting violence and instigating trouble.

Go back to your commune.

Wow, talk about a thoroughly irrational post. Did you even read what I said? Do you have any ability to rationally put those words together in a meaningful way? Because it really appears to me that you aren't capable of it, based on your response here. Please...try to read what I've said, idiot.

You can save your flag-waving and jingoism for someone who hasn't put their life on the line for your freedoms, thanks.

[john9blue]

Wow lots of opinions.
Seems a lot of fuss to me.
Here's a thought though: maybe wearing the US flag as a deliberate ploy to cause trouble (if indeed that's what the kids were doing) could itself be seen as disrespectful to the flag. Doesn't it annoy you to think that maybe these kids were using your sacred flag just to get up someone's nose?
As an analogy, I wouldn't see a bunch of people who wrapped themselves in St George's crosses at a St Patrick's day celebration to be merely announcing they were proud to be English.
And yes, if a bunch of kids turned out on 4th July being deliberately provocative in some way I would expect the same treatment.

Give me a break, this has nothing to do with anyone's "sacred love" of the Stars and Stripes. I would be saying the same thing if this situation occurred in any other country. US just happens to be the only one that punishes its citizens for patriotism...

[Woodruff]

Well then I hope you don't find it illogical that I object to people making up ex post facto rules on the spot. In fact I think it's horribly unjust.

Maybe they did prevent a fight, who knows. Whether the decision was a "good one" isn't really the issue here. The fact that a few administrators can decide what is and isn't appropriate on the spot is very worrying. It is hardly different from a dictatorship.

You don't think that school officials should make judgement calls in the day-to-day business of their schools?

If there was a rule that said they had the power to make the judgment call... then why did the district rebuke their actions?

Do you understand what a judgement call is? That means that someone in authority over the people may disagree with it. That's why it's not...a rule.

[Woodruff]

Just saw this on FOX NEWS and the beautiful Megan Kelly was right on target. Your Constitutional rights do not end when you walk into a school. You can not pre-emptively send students home because of what you might perceive as instigation. Woody would have hated her taring apart his argument.
And as for it being disrespectful. Give me a break, you wanna-be patriot! I have a flag on the right shoulder of my uniform. Even though I am saddened that people of this great nation had to die to give you the right to spew your garbage.

Which Constitutional right is being abrogated here?

[john9blue]

Do you understand what a judgement call is? That means that someone in authority over the people may disagree with it. That's why it's not...a rule.

What good is authority in the first place if employees can ignore both their superiors and the rules already in place?

[Woodruff]

And as for it being disrespectful. Give me a break, you wanna-be patriot! I have a flag on the right shoulder of my uniform. Even though I am saddened that people of this great nation had to die to give you the right to spew your garbage.

Your ignorance is frightening.

[Woodruff]

cinco de Mayo is NOT celabrated in MEXICO just an FYI

ok woodruff you never answered my question? about if it was the 4th of july and they showed up to school wereing mexican flags? and they got sent home. would you agree with that dicsicion too?

I did answer it already, but I will again.

If the school administration felt that the action could put the students into a dangerous situation, then yes I would support that as well. You see, I'm not so silly as to believe that I understand the atmosphere in that particular school...though plenty here seem to be.

woodruff your whole argument rest on how you intrupet free speech.

No, my whole argument rests on the idea that someone in charge made a judgement call to take a certain action.

if i say in a joking matter Woodruff i am going to kick your Ass. and i start laughing after words. are you going to beat me up first? when you start to say that speech is the reason for violence you walk a slippery slope

That's quite true, and yet "free speech" does come with inherent consequences...it doesn't mean that it's a free-for-all of saying anything that you want to without repercussion.

saying that do you honestly feel that the kids who wore american flags where in intemet danger from there classmates?

I don't know...I'm not at that school. That's why I support the administration's position in this case. Their job is to make that call.

[Woodruff]

Wow lots of opinions.
Seems a lot of fuss to me.
Here's a thought though: maybe wearing the US flag as a deliberate ploy to cause trouble (if indeed that's what the kids were doing) could itself be seen as disrespectful to the flag. Doesn't it annoy you to think that maybe these kids were using your sacred flag just to get up someone's nose?
As an analogy, I wouldn't see a bunch of people who wrapped themselves in St George's crosses at a St Patrick's day celebration to be merely announcing they were proud to be English.
And yes, if a bunch of kids turned out on 4th July being deliberately provocative in some way I would expect the same treatment.

Give me a break, this has nothing to do with anyone's "sacred love" of the Stars and Stripes. I would be saying the same thing if this situation occurred in any other country. US just happens to be the only one that punishes its citizens for patriotism...

Is it really patriotism to wear a United States flag t-shirt ONLY on Cinco de Mayo? Do you really see that as patriotic? I certainly don't.

[Woodruff]

Do you understand what a judgement call is? That means that someone in authority over the people may disagree with it. That's why it's not...a rule.

What good is authority in the first place if employees can ignore both their superiors and the rules already in place?

So you're saying that you DON'T understand what a judgement call is, then? Even in the military, we supervisors had a wide ranging ability to make judgement calls about all sorts of things.

[72o]

I agree with greekdog. It shouldn't matter what day it is, the kids should be able to wear whatever flag they want on whatever day. As long as it's not pornography or revealing, and it's not otherwise against the dress code, I don't see how the school saw it as a problem.

Sure, the kids did it on purpose. That's what kids do. They're gonna do whatever they can to get attention and cause a ruckus. Big fuckin deal. The school should have ignored it.

I don't see why it would offend Messicans to see the American flag on their holiday. If I went to Cabo on the 4th of July I wouldn't be offended to see a bunch of Messicans wearing their flag.

For that matter, what about Iranian kids, or Pakistani, Afghani, etc. etc. If they wear their flag, or traditional clothing from their parents' countries on the 4th of July, will the school send them home?

And woodruff, I could care less which side of this issue you're on, that's less and less the point of this thread. It has now become all about you personally attacking everybody's intelligence because you feel you are so much better than them. If you were actually intelligent, you'd realize that insulting someone else's intelligence is beneath you and unnecessary. More likely is that you're just a troll.

[beezer]

Wow, talk about a thoroughly irrational post.

Wow, talk about an utterly predictable response! Woodruff uses the word irrational once again to describe any dissent with his posts.

Did you even read what I said?

Yeah, made we want to puke

Do you have any ability to rationally put those words together in a meaningful way?

Apparently well enough to instigate a response from you. Maybe you'll be incited to violence!!

Because it really appears to me that you aren't capable of it, based on your response here. Please...try to read what I've said, idiot.

Hehe, the taxpayers who live in your school district are sadly underserved. Let's hear another "you lack reading comprehension" line, Woody. Oh yeah, and complaining about BK Barunt bullying you was pathetic. We all get challenged by BK from time to time.

You can save your flag-waving and jingoism for someone who hasn't put their life on the line for your freedoms, thanks.

Since I know it irks you so much...........



And you can save us all your "I'm a veteran" routine. When it comes to this issue, I give you about as much credit for being a veteran as Marty Weithaupt or Benedict Arnold.

[Woodruff]

And woodruff, I could care less which side of this issue you're on, that's less and less the point of this thread. It has now become all about you personally attacking everybody's intelligence because you feel you are so much better than them. If you were actually intelligent, you'd realize that insulting someone else's intelligence is beneath you and unnecessary. More likely is that you're just a troll.

What you need to do is read the thread a bit more closely. For those who have responded with rational arguments, I've said nothing at all about their intelligence.

However, when individuals feel the need to flame me with flag-waving, jingoistic rhetoric, all I'm doing is stating the obvious. Many of the flames I've recieved have been simply because of very basic statements I've made that had no intelligence-smattering to them at all.

[Woodruff]

Wow, talk about a thoroughly irrational post.

Wow, talk about an utterly predictable response! Woodruff uses the word irrational once again to describe any dissent with his posts.

Your post wasn't about dissent...it was about fragging me.

Did you even read what I said?

Yeah, made we want to puke

Because you only think that freedom of speech should pertain to those who agree with you.

Because it really appears to me that you aren't capable of it, based on your response here. Please...try to read what I've said, idiot.

Hehe, the taxpayers who live in your school district are sadly underserved.

So you also believe that you can base my job performance on a few posts in an internet forum? That's absolutely the sort of thing that SHOULD cause someone to question your intelligence.

You can save your flag-waving and jingoism for someone who hasn't put their life on the line for your freedoms, thanks.

Since I know it irks you so much...........

Yes, fake patriotism bothers me a great deal. I much prefer the real thing. Do you have any of that?

And you can save us all your "I'm a veteran" routine. When it comes to this issue, I give you about as much credit for being a veteran as Marty Weithaupt or Benedict Arnold.

Because I don't agree with you...well, that's certainly a great point for not questioning your intelligence, right?

[Army of GOD]

And you can save us all your "I'm a veteran" routine. When it comes to this issue, I give you about as much credit for being a veteran as Marty Weithaupt or Benedict Arnold.

Because I don't agree with you...well, that's certainly a great point for not questioning your intelligence, right?

Did you manually change the author of that quote to targetman?

[BigBallinStalin]

Excuse me sir, but could you please turn your t-shirt inside out?

LAWSUIT!!!

I love those shirts the irony is delicious.

I have a t-shirt with that face and the caption "This Shirt Brought to You by Capitalism." It used to be my avatar.

So this is me at a party. I really wasn't in the mood, but I showed up anyway.

[beezer]

Your post wasn't about dissent...it was about fragging me.

Perhaps I should apologize for bullying you. And now you try to play the role of martyr. It was you who fragged those kids in your opening post.

Somehow, you have the omniscient attribute of being able to determine the motivations behind these kids in wearing their clothes. It couldn't be that they simply wanted to wear them to express any patriotic feelings. It has to be their motivation to incite violence.

Because you only think that freedom of speech should pertain to those who agree with you.

Nah, it happens plenty here. The difference is when a self-righteous person like yourself equates disagreement as lack of intelligence. Then this tactic is repeated over and over again as if its self perpetuation makes the user (yourself) correct by merely claiming it.

So you also believe that you can base my job performance on a few posts in an internet forum?

Pretty much, but it wouldn't just be a few. It would be more like your entire attitude whenever challenged.

Yes, fake patriotism bothers me a great deal. I much prefer the real thing. Do you have any of that?

No, I just participate for the BBQs and fireworks. Occasionally, I like to incite violence by listening to God Bless America or The Stars And Stripes Forever.

Because I don't agree with you...well, that's certainly a great point for not questioning your intelligence, right?

Because you try to shield yourself by invoking your veteran status. You probably thought that would give you cover.

[jay_a2j]

Just saw this on FOX NEWS and the beautiful Megan Kelly was right on target. Your Constitutional rights do not end when you walk into a school. You can not pre-emptively send students home because of what you might perceive as instigation. Woody would have hated her taring apart his argument.
And as for it being disrespectful. Give me a break, you wanna-be patriot! I have a flag on the right shoulder of my uniform. Even though I am saddened that people of this great nation had to die to give you the right to spew your garbage.

Which Constitutional right is being abrogated here?

Freedom of expression. Any further questions should be directed to Megan Kelly.... the lawyer.... the beauty queen.

[jay_a2j]

Wonder who had the guts to steal that sign out of PLAYERS garage?