The U.S. Flag Code - Outdated?

[john9blue]

ITT Juan tries reverse psychology foar the first tiem.

[Falkomagno]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/#discussion-form
Lol

The power of 4chan.

4chan? I presume they're pushing the "safety of the student" voting or something?

You are too Woody

[Army of GOD]

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT SALMON.

[tzor]

One Thing to look at is the Gold fringe around all the flags that are in post offices, city council, court rooms, the white house, etc. This is not an american flag an american flag does not have gold in it an American flag is red, white, and blue.

Gold trim is used indoors. It is derived from military custom.

The quote below concerning gold fringe on the Flag is from the book "So Proudly We Hail, The History of the United States Flag" Smithsonian Institute Press 1981, by Wiliam R. Furlong and Byron McCandless. "The placing of a fringe on Our Flag is optional with the person of organization, and no Act of Congress or Executive Order either prohibits the practice, according to the Institute of Hearaldry. Fringe is used on indoor flags only, as fringe on flags on outdoor flags would deteriorate rapidly. The fringe on a Flag is considered and 'honorable enrichment only', and its official use by the US Army dates from 1895.. A 1925 Attorney General's Opinion states: 'the fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the Flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe.'"

[tzor]

This. Night Strike seems to think that because the SC supports freedom of expression with the flag, that goes against the code, which apparently prohibits flag burning.

Which is ironic because the last step in the retirement of a flag is its cremation.

[72o]

For the love of God (see "Army of") DO NOT GOOGLE the phrases 4chan + .org!!!

And believe me, whatever you do, even if you couldn't resist even that slight temptation, DO NOT CLICK /b/!!!

You have violated rules 1 and 2.

[Woodruff]

This. Night Strike seems to think that because the SC supports freedom of expression with the flag, that goes against the code, which apparently prohibits flag burning.

Which is ironic because the last step in the retirement of a flag is its cremation.

Actually, at that point it is no longer considered to be a flag, due to the steps preceeding it.

[deronimo]

I didn't even know that there was an official federal flag code

OK, but I think this whole issue about outdating is really more of a reflection on our culture. It was considered the right thing to do - to be patriotic, support your country, and show respect. People about one hundred years ago probably didn't even think twice about it, even if they didn't like the government. Or it could have been more of a response to Russia going communist and there was no way in hellz that we were going to go down that path.

Today it seems like anyone who has patriotic feelings is ridiculed or made fun of. This especially happens from people who live overseas ---->Europeans. So right now patriotism is seen as boring, stupid, or repressive. But if things swing too much in that direction, it could be that the new hip & rebellious thing to do would be to return to being patriotic. I thought about this in that other discussion about the kids being persecuted by the administration for wearing the flag on their clothes. I'll bet the four of them are enjoying their persecuted status and will continue to do other patriotic gestures. The next generation could become even more patriotic just to snub those who don't like patriotic expression for the U.S.

[72o]

Did you guys see this part?

§178. Modification of rules and customs by President
Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation.

[Woodruff]

Did you guys see this part?

§178. Modification of rules and customs by President
Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation.

Sure...and?

[72o]

I was just pointing out that the ol' Bamster can change the code to forbid to display the flag on Cinco de Mayo, or to wear flags as clothes, or to display a flag in the presence of a Messican or a Muslim. Hell, I guess he could even change the flag to have 57 stars, or add a hammer and sickle. Pretty cool.

[PLAYER57832]

OK, but I think this whole issue about outdating is really more of a reflection on our culture.

I agree with this, but not the rest of what you say.

The code is a reflection of past culture and values. However, change doesn't necessarily mean lack of respect. I believe peoples still very much do support the U.S. and the flag it represents, though they might not express it in the same way.

The flag code is somewhat antiquated in that it asks people to do things that just don't necessarily make all that much sense any longer. What difference, for example, does it really and truly make that you fold a flag one way and not another? Flying a flag that is tattered doesn't seem terribly respectful, but if you forget to take it down at night, is that really so bad? Etc.

On the other hand, if we just walk by when people spit on it, and don't get a reaction, then they move on to something perhaps worse. A flag, in that way, can serve as an outlet for anger, to express feelings that otherwise might not stop with just feelings.