[GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

[army of nobunaga]

well written.

i dont think things will change till the owner starts losing money though.
i for one am stayng away from singles no spoils and flat rate for this reason

[epicethan]

I suggested this a week or two ago only I called it the "Drop-Game" Button.
I think it is a good idea, however the main reasons why people disliked it in my thread was because:
a) Point dumping and the such would be very prevalent. and...
b) Become a premium member so you can have as many games as you want to play at once.
Here is the link to the thread that I posted if you want to check it out.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 4&t=112157

[epicethan]

I should have looked under the rejected suggestions before i started this thread. Seeing as how the mods have already created and gotten rid of a "surrender" button, I believe that a drop game button would fall under that category.
So, in response I will not be trying to persuade anyone anymore and I will quit posting. I hope you don't waste your time either on these types of threads because the mods have made it pretty clear (for a variety of reasons) that they will not implement this ever again.
Sorry to have wasted everyone's time.
Here is the link for anyone that wants to see for themselves:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 71&t=67152

[epicethan]

Forgot to say that this has already been rejected and that there is no point in continuing to post on like threads.
Here is the link for you to see:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 71&t=67152

[Qwert]

These is not bad idea,and to prevent point dumping, maybe its possible to add some turn limit,like after 50 rounds, surender option will activate. In this way,you will prevent point dumping,because i doubt that many player will play 50 rounds to give points.

[Ugly_Moose]

I Surrender Button

I think a I surrender button would be great. Hit the button and the game is over right then and there. If doubles, triples and quads requires all to press the button. Otherwise the game continues.

You know you have lost and there is no hope of winning.

Why drag a game on for 3 or more turns waiting for the other person to kill you off.

I do not know how many times I have won and its taken 3 or more turns just to clean up the other players regions to finish the game.

Same with loosing a game.

I have a lot of players who just don't even try to play anymore once they have lost the advantage. Why drag their games played rating down with missed turns just because the game is lost and they are waiting for the other to clean up the mess.

[TheForgivenOne]

The site had this before, and it was removed. People were abusing this soooo easily. DOn't get a good drop? Surrender. loose your first roll? Surrender. And i believe this is meant to be in Suggestions, anyone willing to move it?

[chipv]

Moving to Suggestions on request.

[JoshyBoy]

I am really sorry, but this won't be happening. This suggestion has been made before and rejected, and it just won't be happening. Sorry, but this has been moved to the Rejected Suggestions. Any questions, just PM me.

Cheers, JB

[diggity007]

so heres the deal, i have no problem with players leaving mid game do to an assortment of life related issues. we all have lives outside the computer screen and in most cases, they will trump the game at any point. so to relieve the 15 min waiting period, why not have an auto resign but which automatically changes your troops to nuetrals and keeps the process moving along. this would be a player option, not kick votes. i would certianly use such an item do to my lack of time to complete 3+ hour game ( in some cases). im just trying to think about our fellow players and attempt to streamline the game play. i hope you take this under consideration.
Diggy

[Dako]

Since it cannot be done on the client side I am forwarding this to a suggestion forum. Good luck.

[TeeGee]

Originally there was a surrender button, but it was abused by multies so removed.
It has been suggested and rejected numerous times since. Only way to bring it back would be to eliminate all multi accounts permanently.

[diggity007]

i would think the button would have constrictions such as if used, you cant enter another speed game for 4, 8(my suggestion), 12, or 24 hours. also if surrendered, all games by the player would be terminated (only speed games). i suggest not to have this option for 24 hour games as that would have devastating effects on too many games. for people like myself, i only have a certian time table to play in, that surrender button would be key; actively elimanating the waiting woes of fellow players. please consider a time allowance tacked to the surrender button for speed games only, that might be the tool to making it work.

[TheForgivenOne]

As said before, it was here, and is gone. Was abused so badly. People didn't like their drop? Surrender. People don't like their first turn because of dice? Surrender. People would use it to point dump, to farm multi accounts. I bet there would be basically no real game that actually finishes, just a whole bunch where everybody surrendered.

[JoshyBoy]

Yes, sorry, this is not going to happen.

Cheers, JB

[diggity007]

anychance of a dwindling time allowance for for players who miss their turns, start at 5, 4, 3 mins. it would save people 3 mins of time at least. i'm just trying to figure out a way to speed up the speed games with deadbeats

[Woodruff]

anychance of a dwindling time allowance for for players who miss their turns, start at 5, 4, 3 mins. it would save people 3 mins of time at least. i'm just trying to figure out a way to speed up the speed games with deadbeats

Now that's not a bad idea - open up another suggestion on it.

[JoshyBoy]

anychance of a dwindling time allowance for for players who miss their turns, start at 5, 4, 3 mins. it would save people 3 mins of time at least. i'm just trying to figure out a way to speed up the speed games with deadbeats

Now that's not a bad idea - open up another suggestion on it.

I doubt that this would be implemented as there are some times when a player misses a turn for legitimate reasons. However if you want to start a new suggestion thread, please do so following the correct procedure, and we'll see how it goes. This topic , sorry to say, has been rejected several times and is now moved to the archives. Any questions, just PM me.

Cheers, JB

[Woodruff]

anychance of a dwindling time allowance for for players who miss their turns, start at 5, 4, 3 mins. it would save people 3 mins of time at least. i'm just trying to figure out a way to speed up the speed games with deadbeats

Now that's not a bad idea - open up another suggestion on it.

I doubt that this would be implemented as there are some times when a player misses a turn for legitimate reasons. However if you want to start a new suggestion thread, please do so following the correct procedure, and we'll see how it goes. This topic , sorry to say, has been rejected several times and is now moved to the archives. Any questions, just PM me.

Cheers, JB

Sure, there are legitimate reasons for missing a turn. And that suggestion wouldn't harm that other player at all. It's almost a perfect improvement.

[Spartacus21C]

I think there should be a way to leave a game immediately. Once you've lost all realistic hope of winning, you shouldn't be forced to keep playing until elimination which in slow games can take several days - not when there's a limit on the number of games you can join, so you have to get out of the one you've basically lost before you can join a new one; then there's the issue of players who actually can't continue the game (like if they're not gonna have internet for awhile for some reason) - if an issue like that comes up, you shouldn't have to keep the other players waiting for a total of three whole days (!) before getting kicked, you should be able to leave immediately if you're not gonna be able to play.

[slowreactor]

Been suggested many times before, been shot down every single time. It's just too easy to abuse, and ruins the game.

[TheForgivenOne]

Rejected

[PLAYER57832]

Concise description:
Allow newbies, ONLY to exit from a game either right after joining or after taking a turn or two. (perhaps even at any time). They would lose 10 points (or perhaps whatever points they might otherwise lose). No points would be gained or lost by the opponents.

Specifics/Details:
A newbie who joins a game would be allowed to resign in their first few games. Newbie would be penalized 10 points. No points would be gained by opponents.

A complication might involve team games (are newbies still allowed to join teams?) In those games, I suggest the newbie territories would go Nuetral. Because there is more potential for abuse in team games, I would suggest just ending those games, but allowing the resignation only for the first 2-3 turns (or are newbies proscribed from joining teams? -- anyway, they would be notified that this will be the case when they attempt to join).

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
A LOT of newbies come in, basically realize they goofed and leave.. to be never seen again. Sometimes they just don't like CC, sometimes they just made a mistake in choosing a map or choice. It is a royal pain all around for those of us stuck waiting for them to be expelled.

To discourage the person from doing this, I suggest a point penalty. Someone who is just going to leave won't care. It will just make those who plan to stay think a bit more about resigning. But, the penalty should not be so serious as to utterly discourage people who just picked the wrong map, etc.

To keep this from being a multis farm, no points would be gained by any opponent.

1vs 1 games would, of course, just end. Other games might continue, with the resigning person just becoming nuetral, exactly as if their turn just expired.

Because this would ONLY be available for newbies, it would not seriously threaten the system. In fact, it would just clear up games that we all know are going to end with a person leaving.

PREVIOUS SUGGESTIONS, how this differs (include most recent pertinent threads, for anyone who wants to check debates out for themselves)

general surrender button, topic: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 71&t=67152
In short, this was a no limits surrender. Problem was too much abuse. People would quite just because they were losing, etc. This thread includes many variations, too many to list here.
Why mine is different: Its strictly for newbies and strictly an option. It just recognizes that a lot of newbies do plain join and instantly quite. This gives them a way out without tying up a game for the rest of us... but ONLY when they are really new and without any gain to the opponent. They even lose points.

Newbies who deadbeat first game
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=121167
Idea was to kick out newbies who deadbeat in fewer than 3 turns. It was rejected because it is considered discrimination against newbies. (if the rest of us can have lives, why not newbies?)
My suggestion is just an option, no force/discrimination involved. It just just recognizes that newbies are more likely to get into a "wrong" game or might just change their mind right after signing up. This gives them a way out without just simply leaving the game pending. It would be restricted to newbies, to keep it from being abused. Once you have played even a few games, you really need to learn how things are done!

MIssing first term, kicked from game:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=118855
Basically, even experienced players might miss turns, particularly ones that might have been pending a long time and just were forgotten. My idea is just an option, and, again, limited to newbies so it would be hard to abuse.

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There are many games that get to a point where there is no hope of winning. It would be nice to see a I Surrender button.

[TheForgivenOne]

Not happening. It was removed way back in 2006, because it was over abused. You get poor rolls on Round 1? Surrender. Don't like your drop? Surrender. Basically there would hardly be any games that would be actually won. Every one would just Surrender out of it.