Bush1 vs. Bush2

[JJM]

who was the better President?

[Metsfanmax]

Bush Jr. may have been slightly more stupid, but I think he was a better President...

[edwinissweet]

Second bush made me laugh.

[Titanic]

Bush Sr, but by default more then anything else as Bush Jr was just so bad.

[JJM]

Bush Sr. was one of our better presidents and I would put Bush Jr. as an average president.

[jefjef]

Bush Sr. was one of our better presidents and I would put Bush Jr. as an average president.

Bush Sr. was one of the strongest foreign military policy presidents we've had. He didn't take shit from anyone.

Bush Jr. happened to be in office during a very tough time in America's history. Our nation was lucky the tree hugger wasn't in office when 9/11 went down.

Bush Jr. term was a continuation of the Bush Sr. administration. He also was very good for a laugh.

[JJM]

I don't think most presidents could have avoided 9/11 therefore Bush Jr. can not be blamed for it.

[Titanic]

I don't think most presidents could have avoided 9/11 therefore Bush Jr. can not be blamed for it.

Not that anyone in this topic has made that point so far, but I certainly beleive his administration and the CIA are guilty of gross negligence.

Btw, do you seriously beleive that Bush Jr was an average president?

[thegreekdog]

I don't think most presidents could have avoided 9/11 therefore Bush Jr. can not be blamed for it.

Not that anyone in this topic has made that point so far, but I certainly beleive his administration and the CIA are guilty of gross negligence.

I thought it was common knowledge that President Clinton's administration and the CIA under President Clinton were guilty of the gross negligence.

[Juan_Bottom]

Bush Jr was the most destructive president in history. He was absolutely horrible.

[Titanic]

I don't think most presidents could have avoided 9/11 therefore Bush Jr. can not be blamed for it.

Not that anyone in this topic has made that point so far, but I certainly beleive his administration and the CIA are guilty of gross negligence.

I thought it was common knowledge that President Clinton's administration and the CIA under President Clinton were guilty of the gross negligence.

Not for any attack on mainland USA. At least they actually held meeting about bin Laden and had a CIA team to track him down. Read Dick Clark's book or the mountain of investigations which have shown that the Bush administration just shrugged off all the warning and alerts that they were given (inc. a personal phone call from Putin himself in early September 2001). Say what you want about Clinton but he was well aware of the threat and would have done a heck of a lot more then Bush, Cheney, Rice and co.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think most presidents could have avoided 9/11 therefore Bush Jr. can not be blamed for it.

Not that anyone in this topic has made that point so far, but I certainly beleive his administration and the CIA are guilty of gross negligence.

I thought it was common knowledge that President Clinton's administration and the CIA under President Clinton were guilty of the gross negligence.

Not for any attack on mainland USA. At least they actually held meeting about bin Laden and had a CIA team to track him down. Read Dick Clark's book or the mountain of investigations which have shown that the Bush administration just shrugged off all the warning and alerts that they were given (inc. a personal phone call from Putin himself in early September 2001). Say what you want about Clinton but he was well aware of the threat and would have done a heck of a lot more then Bush, Cheney, Rice and co.

Yeah, I don't think you're correct. The mountain of investigations showed that President Clinton had the means and opportunity to take out bin Laden and much of his crew. Mountains of investigations also showed that both Presidents Clinton and Bush could have taken better measures to protect airline security, but did not.

I hate to do this, but I'll also point out that blaming President Bush II for 9/11 is kind of like blaming President Obama for stuff President Bush II did after Obama was in office for 9 months. Mountains of investigations aside.

[Titanic]

Not for any attack on mainland USA. At least they actually held meeting about bin Laden and had a CIA team to track him down. Read Dick Clark's book or the mountain of investigations which have shown that the Bush administration just shrugged off all the warning and alerts that they were given (inc. a personal phone call from Putin himself in early September 2001). Say what you want about Clinton but he was well aware of the threat and would have done a heck of a lot more then Bush, Cheney, Rice and co.

Yeah, I don't think you're correct. The mountain of investigations showed that President Clinton had the means and opportunity to take out bin Laden and much of his crew. Mountains of investigations also showed that both Presidents Clinton and Bush could have taken better measures to protect airline security, but did not.

I hate to do this, but I'll also point out that blaming President Bush II for 9/11 is kind of like blaming President Obama for stuff President Bush II did after Obama was in office for 9 months. Mountains of investigations aside.

Huge difference between opportunity to take him out and actively trying to stop their attacks. The "Bush was early in his presidency so can't be blamed for 9/11" is a ridiculous arguament. Like I said not a single meeting on Bin Laden, not a single action taken to prevent the attacks and so on. I mean the intelligence was flowing in for months before 9/11, I mean it was in the Presidential Daily Briefing in August and September for god sake, Putin himself rang Bush up and said that his intelligence sources said something big was about to happen and so on and so on.

Show me somewhere in Obama's presidency where something bad happened that was leftover from Bush because he has just ignored all the warning signs that were there. Clinton and Dick Clarke and the rest of his team were doing their job up until the end of their term, but as soon as they passed over power the Bush administration did nothing at all, nothing.

[thegreekdog]

Yeah, from everything I read back in 2001, I don't remember hearing anything about President Bush being at fault. I read that President Clinton could be considered at fault.

[b.k. barunt]

Bush jr was the slimiest fuckwad to ever hold office. He made utter fools out of the American people and some of the ignorant flag waving morons are still eating his leftover shit and liking it. Bush sr should be summarily executed for not pulling out early.


Honibaz

[Metsfanmax]

Yeah, from everything I read back in 2001, I don't remember hearing anything about President Bush being at fault. I read that President Clinton could be considered at fault.

Fortunately, time has passed since 2001 and we have gathered new evidence. Perhaps you should read that before continuing to stick to obsolete points of view.

[jay_a2j]

Neither. They both sucked. But I think Bush 1 did less damage.

[nietzsche]

And why is this relevant?

[jay_a2j]

And why is this relevant?

Why are you relevant?

[nietzsche]

And why is this relevant?

Why are you relevant?

I'm not.

[jefjef]

Yeah, from everything I read back in 2001, I don't remember hearing anything about President Bush being at fault. I read that President Clinton could be considered at fault.

Fortunately, time has passed since 2001 and we have gathered new evidence. Perhaps you should read that before continuing to stick to obsolete points of view.

The fact that Clinton didn't have the balls to do his elected duty on one of the numerous occasions Bin laden was in our sights is not an obsolete point of view.

He knew what that terrorist fuch was involved in and his intentions towards citizens of our country.

That nutless asshole let that shit stain live...

[Titanic]

Yeah, from everything I read back in 2001, I don't remember hearing anything about President Bush being at fault. I read that President Clinton could be considered at fault.

Fortunately, time has passed since 2001 and we have gathered new evidence. Perhaps you should read that before continuing to stick to obsolete points of view.

QFT

[Metsfanmax]

Yeah, from everything I read back in 2001, I don't remember hearing anything about President Bush being at fault. I read that President Clinton could be considered at fault.

Fortunately, time has passed since 2001 and we have gathered new evidence. Perhaps you should read that before continuing to stick to obsolete points of view.

The fact that Clinton didn't have the balls to do his elected duty on one of the numerous occasions Bin laden was in our sights is not an obsolete point of view.

He knew what that terrorist fuch was involved in and his intentions towards citizens of our country.

That nutless asshole let that shit stain live...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoN403tXU4

[Titanic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoN403tXU4

Mwahahha...owned! I love that interview.

"You got that smirk on your face because you think you're so clever"

[thegreekdog]

From the 9/11 Report, Commission Chair Thomas Kean indicated that both President Clinton and Bush II were "not well served" by the FBI and the CIA. So, does this mean it was President Bush's fault, President Clinton's fault or both?