Private pay shrinks to historic lows as gov't payouts rise

[Nobunaga]

... Let's take a look at the definition of GDP:

Gross Domestic Product. The total market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given year, equal to total consumer, investment and government spending, plus the value of exports, minus the value of imports.

... That's where the positive number came from, or did you miss that thread, Titanic?

... So you are correct, in a legalist way. But in any way that actually matters you are dead wrong.

...

[tzor]

This is getting ridiculous. You guys on the left just deny things like when we gave specific references about illegal immigration. If you're just going to say reality isn't real, illegality should be legal, and students expressing American patriotism are trying to start trouble, then there's really no way to reason with you. You guys just create your own reality and argue from the premise that it's the way things are. Damn the facts because your minds are made up.

BINGO! Hold your cards we have a BINGO!

Here is wisdom! Let those who have eyes see; this is the way of everything with progressives. They hide themselves in the name of science but never let science dictate their position. They hide themselves in the name of economics but never let economic numbers guide their decisions.

Just look at global warming as an example. When in doubt make your own numbers, call it "science" and silence any who dare question you.

[Woodruff]

This is getting ridiculous. You guys on the left just deny things like when we gave specific references about illegal immigration. If you're just going to say reality isn't real, illegality should be legal, and students expressing American patriotism are trying to start trouble, then there's really no way to reason with you. You guys just create your own reality and argue from the premise that it's the way things are. Damn the facts because your minds are made up.

Students expressing American patriotism CAN'T POSSIBLY be trying to start trouble?

Of course they COULD BE, but that doesn't mean that they ARE. Which is what he argued some on the left were claiming.

Since I'm quite certain he's referring to me in that particular example, IF he were saying that he would be wrong. I certainly don't think that just because a student is expressing American patriotism that they are trying to start trouble. I DO happen to believe that in one particular instance, that was the case. I'm not sure why, even with his disagreeing with me regarding that particular instance, that he would try to imply that someone was of the belief that was an all-or-nothing stance...which is why I asked the question that I did.

[Woodruff]

This is getting ridiculous. You guys on the left just deny things like when we gave specific references about illegal immigration. If you're just going to say reality isn't real, illegality should be legal, and students expressing American patriotism are trying to start trouble, then there's really no way to reason with you. You guys just create your own reality and argue from the premise that it's the way things are. Damn the facts because your minds are made up.

BINGO! Hold your cards we have a BINGO!

Here is wisdom! Let those who have eyes see; this is the way of everything with progressives. They hide themselves in the name of science but never let science dictate their position. They hide themselves in the name of economics but never let economic numbers guide their decisions.

That brush is so wide I'm not sure how you can possibly lift it up to paint with it.

[Titanic]

... Let's take a look at the definition of GDP:

Gross Domestic Product. The total market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given year, equal to total consumer, investment and government spending, plus the value of exports, minus the value of imports.

... That's where the positive number came from, or did you miss that thread, Titanic?

... So you are correct, in a legalist way. But in any way that actually matters you are dead wrong.

...

I love how you don't even bother to respond to my previous post as I smashed your right wing ridiculous theory on the unemployment levels.

I'm pretty sure I missed whatever thread you were talking about. Are you also aware that G-T=X-M?

[tzor]

This is getting ridiculous. You guys on the left just deny things like when we gave specific references about illegal immigration. If you're just going to say reality isn't real, illegality should be legal, and students expressing American patriotism are trying to start trouble, then there's really no way to reason with you. You guys just create your own reality and argue from the premise that it's the way things are. Damn the facts because your minds are made up.

BINGO! Hold your cards we have a BINGO!

Here is wisdom! Let those who have eyes see; this is the way of everything with progressives. They hide themselves in the name of science but never let science dictate their position. They hide themselves in the name of economics but never let economic numbers guide their decisions.

That brush is so wide I'm not sure how you can possibly lift it up to paint with it.

I use two hands.

I love to see grand unified theories. I'll even give you a subtle hint. I didn't generalize enough.

Just replace progressives with humans.

[GabonX]

Also, have you noticed the 250,000 jobs that are being created every month, thats kinda a sign of a recovery isn't it?

It's a sign of deception

Statisitical significance: None.

This is getting ridiculous. You guys on the left just deny things like when we gave specific references about illegal immigration. If you're just going to say reality isn't real, illegality should be legal, and students expressing American patriotism are trying to start trouble, then there's really no way to reason with you. You guys just create your own reality and argue from the premise that it's the way things are. Damn the facts because your minds are made up.

This is why it has no real significance (took me about 5 seconds to find): "Since December, nonfarm payroll employment
has expanded by 573,000, with 483,000 jobs added in the private sector."http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

The real growth has been from the private sector and not from the public sector. Even if the public sector fiddled their claim so that all 90,000 public jobs actually were only 9 in reality there was still almost half a million jobs created. If the real view of things the few jobs that were faked according to that report has no real statistical significance on 573,000 jobs.

So wait..

You're telling me that a figure of 90,000 is statistically insignificant in the larger figure of 573,000?..

I'm sticking with the comment I made about you at the top of page three

[Nobunaga]

... Let's take a look at the definition of GDP:

Gross Domestic Product. The total market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given year, equal to total consumer, investment and government spending, plus the value of exports, minus the value of imports.

... That's where the positive number came from, or did you miss that thread, Titanic?

... So you are correct, in a legalist way. But in any way that actually matters you are dead wrong.

...

I love how you don't even bother to respond to my previous post as I smashed your right wing ridiculous theory on the unemployment levels.

... Uh... My only other post here was about Costa Rica. Why would I need to be responding to the above?

...

[silvanricky]

... So you are correct, in a legalist way. But in any way that actually matters you are dead wrong.

...

Which is the point I was making. It makes Keynesians all warm and fuzzy to quote something from a textbook, but it doesn't mean a damn to people who are suffering through huge unemployment.

[thegreekdog]

Does that account for who the Justice Dept. or the IRS hires, education and credentials and so on? Doesn't Justice sort of get it's pick of the creamiest of the crop? And creamy matters a lot when it comes to attorneys and wages?

The federal government has an upper limit on salaries, if I understand correctly; so by cream of the crop, they really get the cream of the crop who aren't going to go work 100 hours a week at a big law firm (and then get paid all sorts of loot in 10 years). Government lawyer jobs are a good gig. You get paid pretty well (all things considered), you get excellent benefits, and your thrust right into the first, thus gaining big time experience for later employment at a big law firm.

Of course, I chose not to work for the federal government, but against it; but, I don't think I would have gotten an offer in any case. My grades in law school were not good enough.

[PLAYER57832]

Does that account for who the Justice Dept. or the IRS hires, education and credentials and so on? Doesn't Justice sort of get it's pick of the creamiest of the crop? And creamy matters a lot when it comes to attorneys and wages?

The federal government has an upper limit on salaries, if I understand correctly; so by cream of the crop, they really get the cream of the crop who aren't going to go work 100 hours a week at a big law firm (and then get paid all sorts of loot in 10 years). Government lawyer jobs are a good gig. You get paid pretty well (all things considered), you get excellent benefits, and your thrust right into the first, thus gaining big time experience for later employment at a big law firm.

Of course, I chose not to work for the federal government, but against it; but, I don't think I would have gotten an offer in any case. My grades in law school were not good enough.

In other words, Its a good deal at first, but not in the long run, at least not financially.

[Woodruff]

Does that account for who the Justice Dept. or the IRS hires, education and credentials and so on? Doesn't Justice sort of get it's pick of the creamiest of the crop? And creamy matters a lot when it comes to attorneys and wages?

The federal government has an upper limit on salaries, if I understand correctly; so by cream of the crop, they really get the cream of the crop who aren't going to go work 100 hours a week at a big law firm (and then get paid all sorts of loot in 10 years). Government lawyer jobs are a good gig. You get paid pretty well (all things considered), you get excellent benefits, and your thrust right into the first, thus gaining big time experience for later employment at a big law firm.

Of course, I chose not to work for the federal government, but against it; but, I don't think I would have gotten an offer in any case. My grades in law school were not good enough.

In other words, Its a good deal at first, but not in the long run, at least not financially.

I don't agree (going based ONLY on what thegreekdog posted), in that it IS good financially in the long run due to the great experience one gets (which if one leaves government service turns into money).

[PLAYER57832]

Right, but that is the point... one must leave. And that is one reason why there are often accusations of bias, though, of course no one is supposed to work on things they have decided, etc. (cannot remember the word for that)

[rockfist]

This is getting ridiculous. You guys on the left just deny things like when we gave specific references about illegal immigration. If you're just going to say reality isn't real, illegality should be legal, and students expressing American patriotism are trying to start trouble, then there's really no way to reason with you. You guys just create your own reality and argue from the premise that it's the way things are. Damn the facts because your minds are made up.

Students expressing American patriotism CAN'T POSSIBLY be trying to start trouble?

Of course they COULD BE, but that doesn't mean that they ARE. Which is what he argued some on the left were claiming.

Since I'm quite certain he's referring to me in that particular example, IF he were saying that he would be wrong. I certainly don't think that just because a student is expressing American patriotism that they are trying to start trouble. I DO happen to believe that in one particular instance, that was the case. I'm not sure why, even with his disagreeing with me regarding that particular instance, that he would try to imply that someone was of the belief that was an all-or-nothing stance...which is why I asked the question that I did.

I have no doubt that some "patriots" are people who only want to cause problems, just as I am sure some people interested in "equality" are socialists. Most aren't.

[Titanic]

... So you are correct, in a legalist way. But in any way that actually matters you are dead wrong.

...

Which is the point I was making. It makes Keynesians all warm and fuzzy to quote something from a textbook, but it doesn't mean a damn to people who are suffering through huge unemployment.

Well maybe thats the difference, we actually define things so then people can't use it to their political advantage to make someone look bad but when its ont he other foot they cry about it and complain at how "biased" everything is against them. There a reason a lot of things have set principles and boundaries and no grey area.

This is why it has no real significance (took me about 5 seconds to find): "Since December, nonfarm payroll employment
has expanded by 573,000, with 483,000 jobs added in the private sector."http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

The real growth has been from the private sector and not from the public sector. Even if the public sector fiddled their claim so that all 90,000 public jobs actually were only 9 in reality there was still almost half a million jobs created. If the real view of things the few jobs that were faked according to that report has no real statistical significance on 573,000 jobs.

So wait..

You're telling me that a figure of 90,000 is statistically insignificant in the larger figure of 573,000?..

I'm sticking with the comment I made about you at the top of page three

The 90,000 is statistically significant, what is not is the very few jobs that were created through fraud (if that story is even true). Give me a total number of the job that the census Bureau faked, and lets see how much that is as a percentage of 573,000.

[thegreekdog]

Right, but that is the point... one must leave. And that is one reason why there are often accusations of bias, though, of course no one is supposed to work on things they have decided, etc. (cannot remember the word for that)

One must leave or become a boss. I left the second part out of the original post. THE Attorney General makes a crapload of loot. It's like that at private firms too. At some point, an associate will say, "Am I going to make partner here?" And if the answer is no, he or she leaves and goes somewhere else. If the answer is yes, he or she stays. Same in the government, although on a smaller scale.