C.C. THOTA vs. Nemesis [21-20] THOTA Prevails! [FINAL]

[pmchugh]

There has been 40 games already the match wouldn't just be decided by thota winning by dropping aussie it would also be decided by you guys winning twice on prohib, beating freak and co. on supermax etc etc

Whoever wins this challenge will do it by winnng 21 games not 1.

[Blitzaholic]

Is the glass half full or half empty????????????????


depends on how you look at it, both views could be right.


Again, we need to stop arguing and decide on a fair compromise if it does come down to a tie.

thx

[Dako]

Just run a poll in your clan forums and negotiate it via PMs with clan leaders.

Geez, who am I teaching here how to run a clan :p.

[Blitzaholic]

I was thinking of doing another 40 games and replay it all out again and 1 extra game IF needed for 41 on World 2.1 quads, escalating-chained.

after all this would avoid another tie and it is the World CUP on CC, so the world map seems fair and fitting.

What you all think/?

[Dako]

Do you think penalties are fair in World Cup? Just 5 mostly random shots to determine a winner.

How come 1 trips is worse? You had 90 mins 40 games to win the challenge. Now be ready for penalties :o.

[Blitzaholic]

Do you think penalties are fair in World Cup? Just 5 mostly random shots to determine a winner.

How come 1 trips is worse? You had 90 mins 40 games to win the challenge. Now be ready for penalties .

dako, are you in either of these clans?

If not, please let us negotiate what we are deem is fair to both sides that are actually involved.


thx sir.

[Dako]

If you don't want others opinion - don't negotiate important calls in public. I hereby letting you to negotiate as you wish. :p

[Blitzaholic]

If you don't want others opinion - don't negotiate important calls in public. I hereby letting you to negotiate as you wish. :p

I was just responding to what already had been posted by others as a thought was all.

[Foxglove]

Do you think penalties are fair in World Cup? Just 5 mostly random shots to determine a winner.

How come 1 trips is worse? You had 90 mins 40 games to win the challenge. Now be ready for penalties .

dako, are you in either of these clans?

If not, please let us negotiate what we are deem is fair to both sides that are actually involved.


thx sir.

The thing is, there is no need for negotiation. The Rules in the first post clearly state the process for breaking a tie.

If there is a tie in any clan war, a one game tie-breaker will be set up with the following settings:


Type: Triples
Map: Classic
Play: Sequential
Spoils: None
Reinforcements: Chained
Fog: No

Any players can play in the tie-breaker game even if they have already played in their allotted number of games for that clan war.

Chuuuuuck's rule of thumb comment has been quoted here a few times, but is NOT an actual part of the Rules. Every clan in the cup agreed to the above tie-break mechanism when signing up to participate. So if both clan can agree on something else - fantastic - and if not, you've already agreed by default to the single trips game.

(Also - anyone who is going to hassle Nemesis if they choose to stick to the agreed-upon rules, which the posts so far seem to indicate, should recall all of the shit that people gave KORT when we tried to get G1 to agree to a tie-break game/series after our first challenge against them resulted in a tie!)

[Blitzaholic]

Do you think penalties are fair in World Cup? Just 5 mostly random shots to determine a winner.

How come 1 trips is worse? You had 90 mins 40 games to win the challenge. Now be ready for penalties .

dako, are you in either of these clans?

If not, please let us negotiate what we are deem is fair to both sides that are actually involved.


thx sir.

The thing is, there is no need for negotiation. The Rules in the first post clearly state the process for breaking a tie.

If there is a tie in any clan war, a one game tie-breaker will be set up with the following settings:


Type: Triples
Map: Classic
Play: Sequential
Spoils: None
Reinforcements: Chained
Fog: No

Any players can play in the tie-breaker game even if they have already played in their allotted number of games for that clan war.

Chuuuuuck's rule of thumb comment has been quoted here a few times, but is NOT an actual part of the Rules. Every clan in the cup agreed to the above tie-break mechanism when signing up to participate. So if both clan can agree on something else - fantastic - and if not, you've already agreed by default to the single trips game.

(Also - anyone who is going to hassle Nemesis if they choose to stick to the agreed-upon rules, which the posts so far seem to indicate, should recall all of the shit that people gave KORT when we tried to get G1 to agree to a tie-break game/series after our first challenge against them resulted in a tie!)

I asked this from chuuuck weeks ago when he suggested 60 games in another clan CUP series challenge that he was involved in and I said you cannot change the rules, and he said he was not, it was within the rules. I said sorry and that makes sense and thanked him for the explanation. If he comes in here and posts, he can share that with you.

we all are trying to find a fair compromise.

1 may we too small, but,
40 may be too much.

perhaps we could meet in the middle or something like that.

[Foxglove]

Do you think penalties are fair in World Cup? Just 5 mostly random shots to determine a winner.

How come 1 trips is worse? You had 90 mins 40 games to win the challenge. Now be ready for penalties .

dako, are you in either of these clans?

If not, please let us negotiate what we are deem is fair to both sides that are actually involved.


thx sir.

The thing is, there is no need for negotiation. The Rules in the first post clearly state the process for breaking a tie.

If there is a tie in any clan war, a one game tie-breaker will be set up with the following settings:


Type: Triples
Map: Classic
Play: Sequential
Spoils: None
Reinforcements: Chained
Fog: No

Any players can play in the tie-breaker game even if they have already played in their allotted number of games for that clan war.

Chuuuuuck's rule of thumb comment has been quoted here a few times, but is NOT an actual part of the Rules. Every clan in the cup agreed to the above tie-break mechanism when signing up to participate. So if both clan can agree on something else - fantastic - and if not, you've already agreed by default to the single trips game.

(Also - anyone who is going to hassle Nemesis if they choose to stick to the agreed-upon rules, which the posts so far seem to indicate, should recall all of the shit that people gave KORT when we tried to get G1 to agree to a tie-break game/series after our first challenge against them resulted in a tie!)

I asked this from chuuuck weeks ago when he suggested 60 games in another clan CUP series challenge that he was involved in and I said you cannot change the rules, and he said he was not, it was within the rules. I said sorry and that makes sense and thanked him for the explanation. If he comes in here and posts, he can share that with you.

I am very aware of the thread and comment in question - as it was in the EMPIRE/KORT thread, and I was part of the discussion. Here is the way it worked out, in case you would like a summary.

1. EMPIRE asks KORT if we would like to make our challenge 60 games.
2. We discuss (in this discussion you, blitz, make a comment about how it's not fair to change the rules, and chuuuuck says that if two clans want to go above and beyond the rules, then that's ok)
3. KORT says no, we will stick to the Rules defined when we signed up for the challenge.
4. Both clans did not agree to go outside of the established format, so the challenge remained as it was initially designed - at 40 games.

we all are trying to find a fair compromise.

1 may we too small, but,
40 may be too much.

perhaps we could meet in the middle or something like that.

That is quite possibly true.

Nevertheless, it is irrelevant if Nemesis wishes to stick to the strictures to which both clans have alreay agreed.

(Also - I am feeling free to add my input here, as has Dako, since this is all occurring in a public thread. Sorry. )

[cpurcell]

This is all getting extremely tiresome

---C

[jpeter15]

Chuuuuuck's rule of thumb comment has been quoted here a few times, but is NOT an actual part of the Rules. Every clan in the cup agreed to the above tie-break mechanism when signing up to participate. So if both clan can agree on something else - fantastic - and if not, you've already agreed by default to the single trips game.

(Also - anyone who is going to hassle Nemesis if they choose to stick to the agreed-upon rules, which the posts so far seem to indicate, should recall all of the shit that people gave KORT when we tried to get G1 to agree to a tie-break game/series after our first challenge against them resulted in a tie!)

Hit the nail on the head. Rules state it is a 1 game tie breaker unless both clans agree to something different.

Also, is it any different starting the 41st game now rather than if it were included in the first or second batch?

The logic behind saying, 'it is tied 20-20 so we should do 40 more games' is severely flawed. If a game is tied 10-10 at the halfway point, using the same logic, then the final 20 games is not enough to determine who is superior and another 40 games are needed.

[lordnex]

Nevertheless, it is irrelevant if Nemesis wishes to stick to the strictures to which both clans have already agreed.

Exactly. If someone had a problem with one-game tiebreaker, he or she should have suggested that BEFORE the start of the challenge (or even whole cup). Right now, it's just not something we are even planning on discussing.

[danryan]

Hats off, Nemesis, looks like a 20-20 now? Really impressed. That tie breaker is going to be a nailbiter!

[freakns]

Again, we need to stop arguing and decide on a fair compromise if it does come down to a tie.

thx

here is fair compromise.
tiebreaker(again, if it gets to tiebreker) will be one game, classic map, triples, no spoils, sunny, chained.
this is official standing point of Nemesis as a clan. im not sure what else is there to be said?!

[chemefreak]

Again, we need to stop arguing and decide on a fair compromise if it does come down to a tie.

thx

here is fair compromise.
tiebreaker(again, if it gets to tiebreker) will be one game, classic map, triples, no spoils, sunny, chained.
this is official standing point of Nemesis as a clan. im not sure what else is there to be said?!

This is what we did when our challenge with the Dragoons looked like a tie. We actually started the game halfway through the second set just in case. In the end it wasn't necessary, but it was an exhilarating experience. Also, since it is sunny, everyone can watch.

[jpeter15]

Also, since it is sunny, everyone can watch.

Gonna be awesome to watch, hadn't considered it.

[trapyoung]

Here are the last three games for easy viewing:

Game 7069972
Game 7050809
Game 7069950

Looks like Game 7069972 is the one to watch to see if there's a tiebreaker. Luckily that's sunny too.

[Hatchman]

Looks like Game 7069972 is the one to watch to see if there's a tiebreaker. Luckily that's sunny too.

I beg to differ

[trapyoung]

Looks like Game 7069972 is the one to watch to see if there's a tiebreaker. Luckily that's sunny too.

I beg to differ

Yeah, I agree. Just looked at territory count and thought it was even but it looks like Nemesis has this wrapped up. Maybe instead of arguing about what will eventually be a one game trips on classic, we start hearing some all star lineups for each team?

[Hatchman]

Looks like Game 7069972 is the one to watch to see if there's a tiebreaker. Luckily that's sunny too.

I beg to differ

Yeah, I agree. Just looked at territory count and thought it was even but it looks like Nemesis has this wrapped up. Maybe instead of arguing about what will eventually be a one game trips on classic, we start hearing some all star lineups for each team?

Territory count and two bonuses

[jaimito101]

wowaaa, 20-20 it is! this will be a fun one

i predict: A LOT of dice complaining!!!

[White Moose]

Again, we need to stop arguing and decide on a fair compromise if it does come down to a tie.

thx

here is fair compromise.
tiebreaker(again, if it gets to tiebreker) will be one game, classic map, triples, no spoils, sunny, chained.
this is official standing point of Nemesis as a clan. im not sure what else is there to be said?!

what has to be said? it is lame that you want to decide it on one game and base it off luck, instead of being willing do at least do a best of 7 or 9 series and consider it escalating to help prevent any possible luck drops. The only thing this shares to me is you are scared.

I think you are more scared of losing then they are.

The rules are pretty clear. If both clans can't decide on how to do the tie-break, the original rule stands. Which is 1 game in classic.

I know i'd watch that game.

Hats off to both Thota and Nemesis, as this has been a fun challange to watch.

[chemefreak]

Maybe instead of arguing about what will eventually be a one game trips on classic, we start hearing some all star lineups for each team?

I think with the talent of these two clans I could probably come up with about a thousand possible match-ups! Should be epic!