Did Yah Himself Walk Earth as the Son?

[Lionz]

There's stuff that suggests to me that Yah Himself did walk earth as Him.

There might be many things in the Gospels that you have seen called upon in order to support that being the case, but how about we even focus on the Old Testament for a bit?

There might be some blessed truth hidden inside 1 Kings 8:26-27 that helps prepare the way for things. Where could He live on earth? There are ironically or not cities of Galilee bad mouthed in the very next chapter within 9:10-13 by a famous ruler known as Hiram? Who has an ability to use wonderful irony in order to make stories better if not Yah?

Does 1 Chronicles 17:1-14 and specifically verses 11-14 refer to Solomon and a House made with stone and wood or Yahushua and a House made of Flesh or both or neither? Hmmm. What if Yah's currently in a House or Temple of Flesh that was brought down and raised back up after three days?

Then there's Psalm 68:17-19. Where did Yah ascend from if it means to say He ascended from somewhere? Could it be that it prophetically refers to Yah ascending from earth after doing one or more thing that led to salvation for others and to Him being able to dwell among others? And then what is meant by Psalm 132:11? Is there a double meaning there that we are supposed to grasp?

I might have never read an original of either, but Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6-7 are arguably not very subtle. Does the former refer to a Name that makes use of both H5973 and H0410? A Name meaning El with us or with us is El or something like one or both?

What if Yahushua is essentially The Arm of Yah? You have an arm that you personally control which is some of you and yet not all of you? Consider Isaiah 40:1-12 with an emphasis on 40:10? You might be well into believing Isaiah 53 refers to Yahushua. Does it and Isaiah 40:11 come together and mean to suggest Yahushua is The Arm of Yah? Now Isaiah 63:5-8... hmmm... does it mean to suggest that Yah decided to become Saviour Himself using His Arm after looking around and seeing none to help? You might find Isaiah 59:16 and Isaiah 51:5 and 52:10 to be relevant.

If Isaiah 42:1-7 does not mean to refer to Yah Himself, how much sense does Isaiah 42:8 make? And what's up with Isaiah 43:11, 44:6-8, 44:24, 45:5-6, 45:21-25, and 46:9 if Yahushua is not Yah Himself?

Does Isaiah 25:8-12 and specifically 25:11 mean to refer to Yah spreading forth hands in a breast stroke and crucifixion type fashion? Does Isaiah 49:14-16 and specifically 49:16 mean to refer to marks resulting from Yah being crucified?

Compare Isaiah 28:16 with Micah 4:7 and Micah 5:2? Will Yah rule from Tsiyon Himself?

Is the Father or the Son or some combination speaking in Zechariah 2:8-13? Or something else? Maybe you will play with various combinations and see what you think sticks and see if you think it suggests Yah Himself walked earth as Yahushua. And Zechariah 11:13? Was Yah Himself priced at thirty pieces of silver? And Zechariah 14:1-9? Does it refer to Yah or Yahushua or both or neither?

It might be that I have never read an original of anything in the Old Testament and I'm not sure what the Father or Son has said and you should seek Yah personally for discernment.

[2dimes]

I have only ever heard one person explain the concept of the trinity in a way I could accept. She used the analogy of the Sun. The actual sun = Yah or the Father. The light = Yahushua or the son. and The heat = the holy spirit.

I think that makes sense and is something I can believe. So Yahushua would be this.

What if Yahushua is essentially The Arm of Yah? You have an arm that you personally control which is some of you and yet not all of you? Consider Isaiah 40:1-12 with an emphasis on 40:10? You might be well into believing Isaiah 53 refers to Yahushua. Does it and Isaiah 40:11 come together and mean to suggest Yahushua is The Arm of Yah? Now Isaiah 63:5-8... hmmm... does it mean to suggest that Yah decided to become Saviour Himself using His Arm after looking around and seeing none to help? You might find Isaiah 59:16 and Isaiah 51:5 and 52:10 to be relevant.

I don't think the entirety of the father can be contained in a flesh body so in my opinion it has to be only a part of him. I do believe Yahushua to be fully the part of the Father that we can access as a flesh being. Also the only way to the Father.

I think this is important for each individul person.

It might be that I have never read an original of anything in the Old Testament and I'm not sure what the Father or Son has said and you should seek Yah personally for discernment.

I agree that the name of the Father is important and think that those who thought it too holy to write have taken away something significant from the generations after them by either not writing it or replacing it with variants of words in other languages.

[Timminz]

nep;dr

[mviola]

Far too many biblical references for me. Do you normally speak like this outside of CC?

[tzor]

Fascinating. I think it says more about Lionz than I really wanted to know.

OH, the subject of the thread: I'll get back to you on that.

[PLAYER57832]

Christ walked on Earth, but I am not going to get into another endless, fruitless debate over this with you lionz

[Lionz]

You might say I speak odd on cc and in general. What if we have a soul and a spirit and a body and He does as well, 2dimes?

[AAFitz]

You might say I speak odd on cc and in general. What if we have a soul and a spirit and a body and He does as well, 2dimes?

What if we dont, and you wasted your entire life believing in fiction?

[2dimes]

I think my soul is my spirit and for now it is attached to my body. I can't use it outside I think transendental meditation is internal and I draw things into my spirit as opposed to my spirit leaving my body.

Like I said, "I don't think flesh can contain the entirety of the Father." I think Yahushua is the fullness of the part of him that can be contained and therefore comprehended by flesh. I think there is part that can be niether. That also would be the part that Yahushua prayed to when he was here. If the whole of the Father was contained in him there would be no need to petition something else.

[BigBallinStalin]

There's stuff that suggests to me that Yah Himself did walk earth as Him.

There might be many things in the Gospels that you have seen called upon in order to support that being the case, but how about we even focus on the Old Testament for a bit?

There might be some blessed truth hidden inside 1 Kings 8:26-27 that helps prepare the way for things. Where could He live on earth? There are ironically or not cities of Galilee bad mouthed in the very next chapter within 9:10-13 by a famous ruler known as Hiram? Who has an ability to use wonderful irony in order to make stories better if not Yah?

Does 1 Chronicles 17:1-14 and specifically verses 11-14 refer to Solomon and a House made with stone and wood or Yahushua and a House made of Flesh or both or neither? Hmmm. What if Yah's currently in a House or Temple of Flesh that was brought down and raised back up after three days?

Then there's Psalm 68:17-19. Where did Yah ascend from if it means to say He ascended from somewhere? Could it be that it prophetically refers to Yah ascending from earth after doing one or more thing that led to salvation for others and to Him being able to dwell among others? And then what is meant by Psalm 132:11? Is there a double meaning there that we are supposed to grasp?

I might have never read an original of either, but Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6-7 are arguably not very subtle. Does the former refer to a Name that makes use of both H5973 and H0410? A Name meaning El with us or with us is El or something like one or both?

What if Yahushua is essentially The Arm of Yah? You have an arm that you personally control which is some of you and yet not all of you? Consider Isaiah 40:1-12 with an emphasis on 40:10? You might be well into believing Isaiah 53 refers to Yahushua. Does it and Isaiah 40:11 come together and mean to suggest Yahushua is The Arm of Yah? Now Isaiah 63:5-8... hmmm... does it mean to suggest that Yah decided to become Saviour Himself using His Arm after looking around and seeing none to help? You might find Isaiah 59:16 and Isaiah 51:5 and 52:10 to be relevant.

If Isaiah 42:1-7 does not mean to refer to Yah Himself, how much sense does Isaiah 42:8 make? And what's up with Isaiah 43:11, 44:6-8, 44:24, 45:5-6, 45:21-25, and 46:9 if Yahushua is not Yah Himself?

Does Isaiah 25:8-12 and specifically 25:11 mean to refer to Yah spreading forth hands in a breast stroke and crucifixion type fashion? Does Isaiah 49:14-16 and specifically 49:16 mean to refer to marks resulting from Yah being crucified?

Compare Isaiah 28:16 with Micah 4:7 and Micah 5:2? Will Yah rule from Tsiyon Himself?

Is the Father or the Son or some combination speaking in Zechariah 2:8-13? Or something else? Maybe you will play with various combinations and see what you think sticks and see if you think it suggests Yah Himself walked earth as Yahushua. And Zechariah 11:13? Was Yah Himself priced at thirty pieces of silver? And Zechariah 14:1-9? Does it refer to Yah or Yahushua or both or neither?

It might be that I have never read an original of anything in the Old Testament and I'm not sure what the Father or Son has said and you should seek Yah personally for discernment.

You mispelled "Jah."

[patches70]

You might say I speak odd on cc and in general. What if we have a soul and a spirit and a body and He does as well, 2dimes?

What if we dont, and you wasted your entire life believing in fiction?

What if we don't, it causes him no extra pain in any case. However, what if there is and you living as though you have no soul, where does that leave you later?

I am pretty sure each person believes in something.

Some believe in UFO's (LOL).
Some believe in science and technology (and up a creek when it fails).
Some only believe in themselves (I would love to know their exact thought process when those people encounter obstacles in life they cannot overcome. How does their Ego deal with such things?)
Some believe in their fellow human beings (to be back stabbed later).
And
there are even some poor fools who believe in Government (Uber LOLOLOL).

All kinds of things people believe that are way worse than believing a deity is watching over you.

[Lionz]

What would be wasted if someone believed in Him for a lifetime even if He did not exist, AAFitz?

Thanks, 2dimes. Some real thought provoking stuff by you? John 14:12 and 14:28.

Anyway, we might have a soul and a spirit (or a nephesh and a ruwach?) that are seperate.

http://studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=05315
http://studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=07307

What if we essentially are souls and spirits are quantifiable substances that are animated by individuals? What if One Consciousness is the Father and He animates the Son and the Qodesh Spirit?

[2dimes]

I should come back for further discussion because this is kind of off the cuff here.

The way I'm interpreting the "ruwach" it's more of an emotion that might drive you to do something you might not normally do. Possibly like if you entered a room where someone you cared for was being raped. You could experience "ruwach" that would cause you to take imedeate action and possibly kill the rapist.

The emotion would be so passionate and powerfull you may not be able to control yourself, it might control you.

[Lionz]

I might have said animated by individuals referring to or hinting at souls animating their own personal spirits, but it might be that there was one or more thing said to me in the last 24 hours that is evidence that I said or hinted at wrong understanding of the word soul or nephesh or both. I might have said stuff wrong.

What if we would be beings with or without spirits and yet spirits are quantifiable substances that are the essence of every individual who exists? Dreams might be able to help us understand spiritual things better. What if spirits and flesh bodies are different in several ways and spirits are not burdened by gravitation pull and change things about physical appearance with faithful thought more speedily? What if spirits hold one consciousness each as a rule and flesh bodies are able to contain more than one spirit and thus more than one consciousness and humans have been possessed by foreign spirits as a result?

[PLAYER57832]

You might say I speak odd on cc and in general. What if we have a soul and a spirit and a body and He does as well, 2dimes?

What if we dont, and you wasted your entire life believing in fiction?

AA Fitz, good question --- Then at least, if we have chosen good ideals and ways of living, we have helped to create a better world. Now, I realize that many Christians (and people of other faiths) use faith as justification to do bad things, but each of us, no matter our faith, is tasked with at least trying to do the "right" thing.

[2dimes]

What was said that makes you question your understanding of "Nephesh"? I think you used it well in that post with the links.

Upon further consideration and re-reading the link to "Ruwach" I believe it would be something of the Father that animates the flesh container for your "nephesh" while it's on earth.

[Lionz]

I do not remember what was said exactly maybe, but it was suggested to me that angels are without a nephesh at least? You might be on to one or more thing.

[2dimes]

Angels might be like animals and have ruwach but nephish may be only in humans?

[Victor Sullivan]

This may have already been addressed but...

I don't think the entirety of the father can be contained in a flesh body so in my opinion it has to be only a part of him. I do believe Yahushua to be fully the part of the Father that we can access as a flesh being. Also the only way to the Father.

I think it's very possible for this to be true, as God is not limited spatially limited but can be spatially limited as he himself does not take up space. The concept of God being "big" is not in reference to how much three-dimensional space he takes up, therefore he can take on the limitations of the flesh.

-Sully

[Lionz]

It was suggested to me that nephesh was not limited to humans? Hmm.

[AAFitz]

It was suggested to me that nephesh was not limited to humans? Hmm.

It was suggested to me that it was all fiction. Hmm.
Humans have made up countless tales of fiction and come to believe them over time. Hmm.
Many of these stories once fiction have become non-fiction in the minds of those that believe. Hmm.
The act of believing does not make fiction non-fiction anywhere, but in the universe of the believers mind. Hmm.
There are those that suggest believing may create a universe unto itself, through the simple act of believing. Hmm.
I don't believe it.

[2dimes]

Excellent point AAfitz. Have you ever heard of a guy named Adolf Hitler?

I have even seen movies about him and something called the Nazi party. According to legend they had many things built in Berlin most out of brick and concrete clearly marked with their symbols yet none of them stand after only around 70 years. There are pictures but they must all be CGI as there are no structures with swasticas on them now.

I have heard and read many accounts of them doing horrible things while the US&A just stood idol. Fictional stories fabricated and used to strike fear in children. What a joke. Obviously with the medical and technilogical advances being made by the Nazi party in the 1940s the US&A would invade and occupy them.

It's been said the Romans and old time Jews didn't even have electricity. How would they watch television without it? What did their subways, refrigeration and microwave ovens run on? The colosium on the other hand still stands after thousands of years.

Just goes to show you can't believe anything you didn't touch and see with your own eyes. How would something from the past factor into our amazing modern lives. I supose people will believe what they want regardless of how rediculas it seems.

[Lionz]

Who are you trying to convince, Fitz?

[AAFitz]

Who are you trying to convince, Fitz?

No one. Who are you trying to convince, Lionz?

[Lionz]

That Yah is real and that Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again? Anyone who does not believe if there is someone who does not?