One Nation Rally A Grand Success, Comrades!

[bradleybadly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8

But they're not socialists

[Army of GOD]

<3 that song

[silvanricky]

The Democrat Party is the home of socialists and those who believe in class warfare. It's been pretty well known for awhile but this video just cements that fact even further.

[ViperOverLord]

I wasn't shocked to see a socialist wearing an Obama/Biden 08 shirt. I'm sure there was more of that.

[jay_a2j]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous than the rightest of right wingers!

[Woodruff]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

And you're right, Jay...a theocracy certainly would not be as dangerous as socialism, amirite?

[Johnny Rockets]

Yeah.....love or leave it.....Hell, you could come to Canada....low unemployment. Stable dollar, universal health care, reasonable national debt, vast resources. Yeah we weren't set up to be a socialist country either......


JRock

[DangerBoy]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

And you're right, Jay...a theocracy certainly would not be as dangerous as socialism, amirite?

And here I give you...the ultimate little weasel, Woodruff. The person on this site who twists just enough of what someone else writes, redefines it, and then expounds on it as if it was what you wrote, to reach the conclusions he wants to.

And you're wrong, Woody...agreeing with a general criticism that I wrote in another thread against the Republicans doesn't even make you somewhat conservative.

[PLAYER57832]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

And you're right, Jay...a theocracy certainly would not be as dangerous as socialism, amirite?

And here I give you...the ultimate little weasel, Woodruff. The person on this site who twists just enough of what someone else writes, redefines it, and then expounds on it as if it was what you wrote, to reach the conclusions he wants to.

And you're wrong, Woody...agreeing with a general criticism that I wrote in another thread against the Republicans doesn't even make you somewhat conservative.

You are confusing conservativism with the extreme far right ... again.

But, I grant you, so do most Republicans and Tea partiers.

[comic boy]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous than the rightest of right wingers!

I would truly love for you to tell me what constitutes a ' socialist ' country .

[PLAYER57832]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8

But they're not socialists

Except, why don't you talk about what is wrong with what is being said, instead of just throwing out names?

Much easier to simply label it "socialist".. then you don't have to bother with details and discussion.

.... and I am not even going to bother looking at the video. If you have a point, bring it up.. don't just throw out names as if the name itself were a point.

I could care less if an idea is or is not socialist. I want to know why it is or is not GOOD!

[PLAYER57832]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous than the rightest of right wingers!

OK, you don't like socialism. We got that. NOW tell us what actual ideas you don't like.

Because simply saying "its socialist", or "it will lead to socialism" doesn't tell us much.

[saxitoxin]

Love the vid - brings back some memories for poor ol' Sax! I'm familiar with several of the groups that are pictured in that video. BBQ'ed brauts with some. Others I've taken a leak in their lemonade at the North American Marxist-Leninist Spring Fling and Annual Picnic.

To clarify, not everyone in this vid is created the same ... of those with whom I'm familiar -

Socialist Alternative is a US-Canadian organization that's part of the international Trotskyist movement. They're not widely respected, however, as they endorsed Nader in the last three elections instead of a declared communist. Their endorsement has been seen by some on the revolutionary left as a coy membership stunt to co-opt Nader's non-socialist supporters. Naturally, being Trotskyists as they are, they're not the kind of folks with whom ol' Sax hangs out. Headquartered in Seattle.

The Freedom Socialist Party is a revolutionary feminist group that vascilates (sp?) between running candidates for office and advocating the armed overthrow of the government by a radical women's vanguard. Kindofa on-year/off-year thing. They had a congressional candidate pull 9% of the vote in Oregon last election, or the one before, I think. Headquartered in Seattle.

The Democratic Socialists is mostly a rump group designed to be the U.S. representative to the Socialist International (the world grouping of political parties to which Britain's Labour Party and Canada's New Democratic Party belong) since the U.S. doesn't have a political party that has qualified for membership to that organization. Headquartered in Richmond or DC, I think. Non-revolutionary social-democrats so no friends of ol' Saxi.

The Socialist Party of the U.S. makes Sax wanna puke because they are rainbow-oriented, (I know, I know - I'm supposed to like rainbows.) meaning they welcome any tendency - Trotskyism, Maoism, whatev' - BARF. Were very vocal in opposing the health care bill of 2010, so I give them credit for that at least. Based in mid-town Manhattan.

Communist Party USA is America's oldest openly declared communist party and that to which Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler (one of only 19 recipients of the USA Congressional Medal of Honor) affiliated with after he retired from the Marine Corps and very publicly denounced capitalism in his book "War is a Racket." (Butler is the U.S. Marine officer who exposed the 1933 U.S. Army coup attempt in the US before it was executed.) The members of the CPUSA central committee were retained intelligence assets for the USSR KGB until 1991 when the Kremlin declassified some of their files and the CPUSA suffered a period of embarrassment. After Jacob Golos died it was low-level stuff mostly, like researching CONUS targeting options for Soviet ICBMs, IIRC, basically glorified FAOs. Their HQ is in midtown Manhattan. Not to be confused with the Revolutionary Communist Party which is Maoist in outlook.

[Phatscotty]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

socialism is unamerican

[PLAYER57832]

Thank you for explaining a bit about the video, Saxi.. instead of just pushing out labels.


To bradleybadly and jay, et al --
So, apparently it was a socialist rally. Fine. Are we now supposed to not give socialists the right to speak? Or was there some other point you were trying to make?

[PLAYER57832]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

socialism is unamerican

hmm... "a government by the people and of the people" sounds pretty socialistic to me.

but the real point, the bigger point is are we to live in a society where freedom is only given to those few who agree with your view or is it to be a country in which we not only tolerate, but accept diverse ideas?

Never hearing the opposition is one way to be sure you convince yourself you are correct.. but I prefer the messier bit of actually having to consider those ideas with which I disagree. Sometimes I actually learn something.

[Phatscotty]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

socialism is unamerican

hmm... "a government by the people and of the people" sounds pretty socialistic to me.

but the real point, the bigger point is are we to live in a society where freedom is only given to those few who agree with your view or is it to be a country in which we not only tolerate, but accept diverse ideas?

Never hearing the opposition is one way to be sure you convince yourself you are correct.. but I prefer the messier bit of actually having to consider those ideas with which I disagree. Sometimes I actually learn something.

yeah, try reading the rest of the constitution. nowhere does it say "the governmet shall". EVERYWHERE it says "the government shall not"

try reading more than the first line of the first paragraph next time. That's where context comes in.

[PLAYER57832]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

socialism is unamerican

hmm... "a government by the people and of the people" sounds pretty socialistic to me.

but the real point, the bigger point is are we to live in a society where freedom is only given to those few who agree with your view or is it to be a country in which we not only tolerate, but accept diverse ideas?

Never hearing the opposition is one way to be sure you convince yourself you are correct.. but I prefer the messier bit of actually having to consider those ideas with which I disagree. Sometimes I actually learn something.

yeah, try reading the rest of the constitution. nowhere does it say "the governmet shall". EVERYWHERE it says "the government shall not"

try reading more than the first line of the first paragraph next time. That's where context comes in.

And how is that in opposition to socialism again?

[Woodruff]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

And you're right, Jay...a theocracy certainly would not be as dangerous as socialism, amirite?

And here I give you...the ultimate little weasel, Woodruff. The person on this site who twists just enough of what someone else writes, redefines it, and then expounds on it as if it was what you wrote, to reach the conclusions he wants to.

The conclusion I want to? I don't want the American conservative movement to be in favor of a theocracy.
Twist just enough of what someone else writes? How did I twist "You want socialism, move to a socialist country!"?

And you're wrong, Woody...agreeing with a general criticism that I wrote in another thread against the Republicans doesn't even make you somewhat conservative.

You're right, because agreeing with you has nothing at all to do with making me somewhat conservative.

[Woodruff]

It sickens me that these people are Americans. The US was not set up to be socialist. You want socialism, move to a socialist country! These people are more dangerous the the rightest of right wingers!

And here I give you...the American conservative movement. Love it or leave it, we have no interest in change or your crazy, different ideas here!

socialism is unamerican

hmm... "a government by the people and of the people" sounds pretty socialistic to me.

but the real point, the bigger point is are we to live in a society where freedom is only given to those few who agree with your view or is it to be a country in which we not only tolerate, but accept diverse ideas?

Never hearing the opposition is one way to be sure you convince yourself you are correct.. but I prefer the messier bit of actually having to consider those ideas with which I disagree. Sometimes I actually learn something.

yeah, try reading the rest of the constitution. nowhere does it say "the governmet shall". EVERYWHERE it says "the government shall not"
try reading more than the first line of the first paragraph next time. That's where context comes in.

What does that have to do with their having the right to speak their views/

[DangerBoy]

The conclusion I want to? I don't want the American conservative movement to be in favor of a theocracy.
Twist just enough of what someone else writes? How did I twist "You want socialism, move to a socialist country!"?

Please show us all where Jay even mentioned a theocracy in his post. If you can't, then that means you twisted what he wrote about the US not being set up to be socialist by inserting a point about theocracy that he never made.

Yes, oh great Woodruff, please show us where Jay referenced a theocracy in his post. Ready, 1...2...3....go!

[Woodruff]

The conclusion I want to? I don't want the American conservative movement to be in favor of a theocracy.
Twist just enough of what someone else writes? How did I twist "You want socialism, move to a socialist country!"?

Please show us all where Jay even mentioned a theocracy in his post. If you can't, then that means you twisted what he wrote about the US not being set up to be socialist by inserting a point about theocracy that he never made.
Yes, oh great Woodruff, please show us where Jay referenced a theocracy in his post. Ready, 1...2...3....go!

He referred to "more dangerous than the rightest of right-wingers"...or do you somehow believe that would not include the desire for a theocracy?

You see, I'm not afraid of backing up my statements. What happens in all of those times when I respond to a statement of yours and you've got nothing...why, you simply disappear and come back some time later to try to snipe at me in a different thread. That's all you know how to do DangerBoy, and it's really quite sad.

[DangerBoy]

He referred to "more dangerous than the rightest of right-wingers"...or do you somehow believe that would not include the desire for a theocracy?

You see, I'm not afraid of backing up my statements. What happens in all of those times when I respond to a statement of yours and you've got nothing...why, you simply disappear and come back some time later to try to snipe at me in a different thread. That's all you know how to do DangerBoy, and it's really quite sad.

So you cannot show where Jay ever mentioned a theocracy then, can you?

[Woodruff]

He referred to "more dangerous than the rightest of right-wingers"...or do you somehow believe that would not include the desire for a theocracy?

You see, I'm not afraid of backing up my statements. What happens in all of those times when I respond to a statement of yours and you've got nothing...why, you simply disappear and come back some time later to try to snipe at me in a different thread. That's all you know how to do DangerBoy, and it's really quite sad.

So you cannot show where Jay ever mentioned a theocracy then, can you?

Yes, I did. I'm sorry you believe that those who have a desire for an American theocracy would not be included within the group of "the rightest of right-wingers", but I would suggest that is your problem and not mine.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8

But they're not socialists

Beats the hell out of all the photo-shop pics TP haters were sharing. WOW that's a lot of socialists.

"Free Market Capitalists everywhere DEMAND that liberals work to rid themselves of Socialist elements!