seven society ponzi secret diplomacy[NOTED]ES

[LetGodSortThem]

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No thanks...lmfao....at him

[SevenSociety]

P.S. I wont read your retarded response...

sure you wont...you cant help yourself

[SevenSociety]

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[LetGodSortThem]

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LOL...thats all I see...and all I want to...type type away dweeb...

[Snowgun]

And im pretty sure there are 7 chicks on CC

[Snowgun]

Number one...If you play that many 3 player games with the same player vs another player...

sounds like to me that you guys play to eliminate 3rd player...

Did...you...even...read...my....post?

In all seriousness, if their strategy involves eliminating the 3rd play almost always AFTER taking one of themselves out, they play a deep game. I stand by the fact that Fitz doesn't throw around accusations lightly, but I also stand by my opinion that I believe fitz happens to be wrong about this one.....so far. Seven and ponzi need to be careful that they keep it real in the future like they've seem to have done in the past.

[SevenSociety]

And im pretty sure there are 7 chicks on CC

haha now that's funny

[Arama86n]

Guys, think of the poor mod that has to read through all this bullshit, give it a rest aye I think everything that needs to be said has been said, all that's left is for a man in orange to lay the verdict.

[AAFitz]

Number one...If you play that many 3 player games with the same player vs another player...

sounds like to me that you guys play to eliminate 3rd player...

Did...you...even...read...my....post?

In all seriousness, if their strategy involves eliminating the 3rd play almost always AFTER taking one of themselves out, they play a deep game. I stand by the fact that Fitz doesn't throw around accusations lightly, but I also stand by my opinion that I believe fitz happens to be wrong about this one.....so far. Seven and ponzi need to be careful that they keep it real in the future like they've seem to have done in the past.

Actually seven, it is a good point, except that I am fully aware of the many subtleties of this game, and how little it takes to throw a 3 player game. In fact, the best way to throw one is to eliminate your friend after he decimates the other player in the game, which wont even show on the log necessarily. One very much must take into every little detail every subtlety, and look at the overall record. I fully agree with him that you may not have been cheating, however, as I posted this accusation, I fully believe you were. I believe you fully knew what you were doing, you never gave the third player in your games a fair chance and should be blocked. To suggest after 4 years in here, and over 10000 games, and probably a million words, many of which have been spent analyzing games like this, with players like yourself... suggesting I havent thought of everything is just not a reasonable assumption. Suggesting I am absolutely correct because of this would be similarly unreasonable.

Your accusations against me however, that I am recklessly attacking you and slandering you and making a witch hunt because of one game which was not even over, however, is more of a witch hunt, slander and so blatantly so as to raise suspicion even more. Certainly, anyone who will go overboard like this, is more than capable of cheating, and I assure you, this fact will not be lost on those who truly do understand this game, and its clear it has not been lost on many posting in this very forum.

What a player like myself would post after seeing an accusation against myself like this would post, would be the obvious answer of a player not cheating. Well, Im not cheating, Im not favoring the other player, even though its obvious why it looked that way. Instead you suggest there was no suspicious play whatsoever, and no reason to be suspicious and in doing so essentially lie, slander me, and effectively lose all possible trust whatsoever. Its the fact that you are ignoring the actual fact that makes it seem as though you are cheating, that shows you cannot be trusted, as are the many half truths and lies you have presented in this utterly ridiculously defended accusation, which has more merit than 75% of other accusations on the site.

Again, its just one more small detail to consider when making the decision as to whether you play a fair game or do not, but for me, it confirms what I suspected from the beginning.

If you would like me to further analyze your games, just ask. But seriously, do not suggest I am not capable or have not considered the situation and have blindly suggested this. Its not only ridiculous, but a complete waste of time.

[AAFitz]

Number one...If you play that many 3 player games with the same player vs another player...

sounds like to me that you guys play to eliminate 3rd player...

Did...you...even...read...my....post?

In all seriousness, if their strategy involves eliminating the 3rd play almost always AFTER taking one of themselves out, they play a deep game. I stand by the fact that Fitz doesn't throw around accusations lightly, but I also stand by my opinion that I believe fitz happens to be wrong about this one.....so far. Seven and ponzi need to be careful that they keep it real in the future like they've seem to have done in the past.

Actually, this is the most(only) reasonable post in defense on here. I only really disagee with the conclusion, but agree with the rest of it. Obviously I COULD be wrong. At the same time, it looks suspicious as hell, and this accusation is to insure no further players are cheated by these guys in the future.

Some of the details are inaccurate simply because if one of them smashes everything they have into the third player, allows themselves to be taken out so that it looks like they are not doing what they are doing, its cheating and favoring the other player. I happen to believe this is what they are doing, you do not. I agree they are playing a deep game, but by deep, I believe they fully know only one of them will ever win a game with the two of them, and that by playing with that goal, they get to play 3 player games, with at least a 50% chance of winning. Its that kind of favoring of another player that is against the rules, and spirit of the game, and why it simply cannot be allowed to happen or happen unchallenged.

The important thing is if they are blocked no one else will get cheated, and if they are not blocked they will certainly have to insure they play a fair game. Net effect of the accusation is to insure fair play, which was the reason for the thread in the first place.

[SevenSociety]

As if you could speak of fair play. is that why you set up games on Feudal, Age of Realms, and World 2.1 and play privates and cadets? Because you actually believe that they have a 50% chance of winning? If there is such a skill difference why are you allowed to play them on those maps? because according to you "Its that kind of favoring of another player that is against the rules, and spirit of the game, and why it simply cannot be allowed to happen or happen unchallenged."

As of now privates and cadets are allowed to join whatever game they choose. If you or I beat them because we know the map and have played thousands of times how is that OUR fault? They never had a 50% chance to win and you know it. Don't be a hypocrite.

I have no problem being blocked from ponzi ( he was on my foe list for a long time) but if i do block him it will not be an admission of something that never happened. Im going to get my name cleared first before i do anything. You weren't "cheated" and you have no interest in making sure other players aren't cheated, you were pissed you lost after your idiot move and decided to make vindictive accusations without really looking at the individual games or particular game strategy.

If anything comes out of this i hope its that you realize that not everyone is going to just sit there and let you accuse away and go on your witch hunts. Think before you act publicly and be sure of your facts. Shocker, some players will actually stand up to you. Maybe a simple FOE would be easier in the future than some mod investigating every little accusation you throw out there. Its been days and still nothing...what does that tell you?

[SevenSociety]

You wrote "What a player like myself would post after seeing an accusation against myself like this would post, would be the obvious answer of a player not cheating. Well, Im not cheating, Im not favoring the other player, even though its obvious why it looked that way. Instead you suggest there was no suspicious play whatsoever, and no reason to be suspicious and in doing so essentially lie, slander me, and effectively lose all possible trust whatsoever. Its the fact that you are ignoring the actual fact that makes it seem as though you are cheating, that shows you cannot be trusted"


Actually i stated this repeatedly but did you bother to read it. No you didn't. You didn't approach the argument with an unbiased opinion just seeking to make wrongs right. If wouldn't have mattered what i said so why you are trying to present yourself in a clean innocent who me light is hilarious. You were convinced of my guilt DURING the game and there was no changing your mind. If you really think that be me stating what you say a player like yourself would say after being accused and then you accepting it, you really are as delusional as you are coming across.

[SevenSociety]

I wont change your mind and you wont change my mind. Simple as that. I wont back down and roll over so lets just wait for the outcome.

[theherkman]

I fully agree with him that you may not have been cheating, however, as I posted this accusation, I fully believe you were.

Say what?

[Gold Knight]

I fully agree with him that you may not have been cheating, however, as I posted this accusation, I fully believe you were.

Say what?

That post makes complete sense. Please re-read and analyze.

[tdans]

I fully agree with him that you may not have been cheating, however, as I posted this accusation, I fully believe you were.

Say what?

That post makes complete sense. Please re-read and analyze.

re-read it, analyzed it, and i still conclude that i like chipmunks better than squirrels .

[Snowgun]

Some of the details are inaccurate simply because if one of them smashes everything they have into the third player, allows themselves to be taken out so that it looks like they are not doing what they are doing, its cheating and favoring the other player. I happen to believe this is what they are doing, you do not. I agree they are playing a deep game, but by deep, I believe they fully know only one of them will ever win a game with the two of them, and that by playing with that goal, they get to play 3 player games, with at least a 50% chance of winning. Its that kind of favoring of another player that is against the rules, and spirit of the game, and why it simply cannot be allowed to happen or happen unchallenged.

The important thing is if they are blocked no one else will get cheated, and if they are not blocked they will certainly have to insure they play a fair game. Net effect of the accusation is to insure fair play, which was the reason for the thread in the first place.

I considered what you talk about here Fitz, and my conclusion was that since not ONE opponent complained about being "suicided" against, or even lightly suicided (if that makes any sense) in the chat, that this technique was probably not the case.

Seven, I know you're fired up about this but you gotta relax and talk to the issue at hand and the evidence. Nothing good will come out of attacking fitz.

It is my opinion that if there are any shenanigans, they would be in the last game, so that is the place to focus on. The rest of the games don't have any evidence of sketchy activity besides the coincidental fact that no third party has won yet.

[SevenSociety]

Your observations are again valid. Your unbiased observations and cool head would make you a good mod. I am fired up about this but what you say makes sense and i will try to focus on the issue at hand. thanks

[Evil Semp]

OK so to clear some things up. It takes time to look at secret diplomacy trying to make sure we are thorough, not because we are just trying to find something. That being said I am going to NOTE this report more for the fact that in several game chats SevenSociety has stated that he does not mind favoring another player because of points. If you can do this for points I don't see how you might not do it if someone pissed you off.

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SevenSociety: i am forced to choose to lose to a private or a higher rank

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blue you know that i would rather lose to a higher rank and you SUICIDE isn't changing my mind

[SevenSociety]

What does that have to do with the issue at hand? What does NOTING the report mean? And from what i got from your message you are not noting for the secret diplomacy accusation but for comments i made in a game indicating that i would rather not lose to a private or lower rank. Who here given the choice would want to lose to a private or lower rank and there have been many games (investigate those too) where i have said i don't care about the loss of points. it depends on the game situation. Your further comments "If you can do this for points I don't see how you might not do it if someone pissed you off. " i gather are referring to attacking another player bc they pissed me off. Do you even play these games EVIL SEMP? You are going to say you have never attacked a player or had a decision based on whether they pissed you off in a game? Seriously? for this situation i say let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Everyone knows that some decisions are based on emotion and will happen in a game. For those of you who comment on never getting pissed off and attacking because of i say you are hypocrites now because we all know it happens. Why dont we try to focus on the issue at hand (the accusation of secret diplomacy and get it resolved)

[SevenSociety]

You have moved this to the closed reports? without resolution? After all that this report gets a NOTED? If there is NO evidence of a secret diplomacy I want this CLEARED. No way am i going to settle for a NOTED which leaves the issue unresolved publicly. If you didn't find anything then CLEAR it don't note it. You noted this based on a comment i made, what about ponzi? This was a secret diplomacy accusation (meaning 2 involved fyi). A noted doesn't mean anything. Im asking that you fix this.

[Evil Semp]

What does that have to do with the issue at hand?

It means that you have for lack of better words teamed up against players just because of rank. That means that the lower ranked player didn't not have a fair chance after you decided that you didn't not have a chance to win.

What does NOTING the report mean?

It means that it gets logged with the other secret diplomacy accusation against you that was files on the 21st of Sept.It means that there isn't enough proof to give you a warning or a block but I believe enough to put it on the record for future reference.

And from what i got from your message you are not noting for the secret diplomacy accusation but for comments i made in a game indicating that i would rather not lose to a private or lower rank. Who here given the choice would want to lose to a private or lower rank and there have been many games (investigate those too) where i have said i don't care about the loss of points.

Again it means that it is not a level playing field for the lower ranked player.

It depends on the game situation.

Yes it does. I means if you are losing you go after the lower ranked player.

Your further comments "If you can do this for points I don't see how you might not do it if someone pissed you off. " i gather are referring to attacking another player bc they pissed me off. Do you even play these games EVIL SEMP?

One or two maybe a few more.

You are going to say you have never attacked a player or had a decision based on whether they pissed you off in a game? Seriously? for this situation i say let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Everyone knows that some decisions are based on emotion and will happen in a game. For those of you who comment on never getting pissed off and attacking because of i say you are hypocrites now because we all know it happens.

No I did not say I never attacked someone because they pissed me off. But in a three player games that just throws the balance of the game off.

Why dont we try to focus on the issue at hand (the accusation of secret diplomacy and get it resolved)

It has been noted for future reference. If you feel this decision is wrong you are more than welcome to open an e-ticket and someone in admin will have another look at it.

You have moved this to the closed reports? without resolution? After all that this report gets a NOTED? If there is NO evidence of a secret diplomacy I want this CLEARED. No way am i going to settle for a NOTED which leaves the issue unresolved publicly. If you didn't find anything then CLEAR it don't note it. You noted this based on a comment i made, what about ponzi? This was a secret diplomacy accusation (meaning 2 involved fyi). A noted doesn't mean anything. Im asking that you fix this.

I said this was noted. It is noted to both yours and ponzi's account.

[tdans]

WE ARE IN A TYRANNY!! we Have No SAY!! we are just pawns in the big wheel of cc..

[SevenSociety]

"It means that there isn't enough proof to give you a warning or a block"

of course there isn't because there was no secret diplomacy. God knows you probably looked for one as hard as you could and then came up with whatever you could to try to not have this cleared against me. I have already filed a help ticket requesting that an admin look at this case and address the issue and accusation at hand.

[SevenSociety]

I just took a 5 min look at my games and here are just a few of the hundreds where the 3rd player who was the lowest rank won the game. If i were bent on making sure that the lowest rank lost the game explain all of these. These are just a few....i could list many many more for you to look at. Its funny that as hard as you looked to try to find a secret diplomacy EVIL you couldn't look at my games with any depth before you made your statement about me throwing games. Is there any wonder that many members dont trust the MODS judgment and think that its biased?

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I got to thinking about how biased you might be and did a search on the games that you and AA have played together. Evil Semp and AAFitz have played 36 games together and most are doubles and triples games where you are teammates. No wonder when you did not find any evidence you choose to NOTE this instead of CLEAR me. I think that this warrants looking at by another C&A MOD other than yourself. Someone who does not have a vested interest in helping AAFITZ.