Rugby

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:26 pm

How I miss it so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8v-qZFV ... grec_index

I especially like when the forwards get to hit backs.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:30 pm

My friend asked me to join my school's rugby club team because he knew how good I am at football. I should've done it =(

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:32 pm

Army of GOD wrote:My friend asked me to join my school's rugby club team because he knew how good I am at football. I should've done it =(

You could be a scum half. Our scrum half in college was probably 5' 3" but he was a tough bastard.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:33 pm

Are you saying I can be your scum half because I'm short? You bastard...

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:35 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Are you saying I can be your scum half because I'm short? You bastard...

Not my scrum half. Your college's scrum half. But yeah, it's because you're short.

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:48 pm

If you have time, look up some common rugby songs. There are some good ones. I contemplated posting them here, but, well, I'm not sure they are appropriate.

Aradhus · Post by **Aradhus** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:02 pm

I haven't played rugby since high school. It sucked though, I always got sent back to the changing room for being too violent. Its a violent fucking sport, if you can't let out some aggression on a rugger field, what's the point of playing.

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:05 pm

Aradhus wrote:I haven't played rugby since high school. It sucked though, I always got sent back to the changing room for being too violent. Its a violent fucking sport, if you can't let out some aggression on a rugger field, what's the point of playing.

Too violent? Did you bring a weapon on the pitch?

We had a guy on our team who regularly (allegedly) dislocated his shoulder. He would hit his shoulder into the ground to (allegedly) pop it back into place. He was from Texas... which explains that.

I was a prop. So one match I decided that I would bang my head against the other prop's ear (to distract him). He had the excellent idea, that I did not foresee, to knee me in the nose a few times. It degenerated into a fight and we both were thrown out. After the match, we spent the evening seeing who could drink more... he won. Fun times.

Aradhus · Post by **Aradhus** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:12 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Aradhus wrote:I haven't played rugby since high school. It sucked though, I always got sent back to the changing room for being too violent. Its a violent fucking sport, if you can't let out some aggression on a rugger field, what's the point of playing.
Too violent? Did you bring a weapon on the pitch?

We had a guy on our team who regularly (allegedly) dislocated his shoulder. He would hit his shoulder into the ground to (allegedly) pop it back into place. He was from Texas... which explains that.

I was a prop. So one match I decided that I would bang my head against the other prop's ear (to distract him). He had the excellent idea, that I did not foresee, to knee me in the nose a few times. It degenerated into a fight and we both were thrown out. After the match, we spent the evening seeing who could drink more... he won. Fun times.

Well I'm talking like age 13/14.

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:14 pm

Aradhus wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Aradhus wrote:I haven't played rugby since high school. It sucked though, I always got sent back to the changing room for being too violent. Its a violent fucking sport, if you can't let out some aggression on a rugger field, what's the point of playing.
Too violent? Did you bring a weapon on the pitch?

We had a guy on our team who regularly (allegedly) dislocated his shoulder. He would hit his shoulder into the ground to (allegedly) pop it back into place. He was from Texas... which explains that.

I was a prop. So one match I decided that I would bang my head against the other prop's ear (to distract him). He had the excellent idea, that I did not foresee, to knee me in the nose a few times. It degenerated into a fight and we both were thrown out. After the match, we spent the evening seeing who could drink more... he won. Fun times.
Well I'm talking like age 13/14.

You had rugby at that age?

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:15 pm

That doesn't look like real rugby to me

ljex · Post by **ljex** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:20 pm

a lot of those hits are good but i still think the worst football hits would hurt more, granted you dont have pads in rugby...but neither does the other player so they cant hit you as hard.

I wish rugby was more popular in the US from the few times i have watched it it seems like a spectator sport

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:27 pm

ljex wrote:a lot of those hits are good but i still think the worst football hits would hurt more, granted you dont have pads in rugby...but neither does the other player so they cant hit you as hard.

I wish rugby was more popular in the US from the few times i have watched it it seems like a spectator sport

Not even close. Hits with no pads on hurts a lot more. Granted, I've never played rugby, but I've played football with and without pads. With pads you can't do nearly as much because your movement is lessened and same with the other teams', so they can't tackle as well. Head-to-head collisions sans helmets fucking suck.

And you almost never see a football player with a bloodied face. Does rugby have a problem with concussions? That's pretty much the reason football has been "pussified" so much over the years.

Aradhus · Post by **Aradhus** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:33 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
You had rugby at that age?

Sure. There are lots of under 16 clubs in Britain.

ljex wrote:a lot of those hits are good but i still think the worst football hits would hurt more, granted you dont have pads in rugby...but neither does the other player so they cant hit you as hard.

I wish rugby was more popular in the US from the few times i have watched it it seems like a spectator sport

I think you can be a lot more dirty with rugby though, stamping, eye gouging etc. American football just seems like a bunch of big dudes with armour running into each other. I've never played it though, and when I watch it I find it really difficult to get engaged in the action. Probably partly because I don't have a team to root for.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:42 pm

Aradhus wrote:I think you can be a lot more dirty with rugby though, stamping, eye gouging etc. American football just seems like a bunch of big dudes with armour running into each other. I've never played it though, and when I watch it I find it really difficult to get engaged in the action. Probably partly because I don't have a team to root for.

You'd think I'm crazy, but I'd argue football is the most intellectually engaging sport of all of the "major" world sports. The amount of strategy it requires makes other sports like soccer and basketball (both of which I've played and watch, so I'm not talking out of my ass) seem like people are just running around (which isn't true, of course, but comparatively that's what it seems like). And the amount of athleticism football players need to have is amazing.

I want to play rugby though, it looks like fun (minus the eye gouging...I know I'd never do that so it's kind of shitty knowing that other people could).

Aradhus · Post by **Aradhus** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:55 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
Aradhus wrote:I think you can be a lot more dirty with rugby though, stamping, eye gouging etc. American football just seems like a bunch of big dudes with armour running into each other. I've never played it though, and when I watch it I find it really difficult to get engaged in the action. Probably partly because I don't have a team to root for.
You'd think I'm crazy, but I'd argue football is the most intellectually engaging sport of all of the "major" world sports. The amount of strategy it requires makes other sports like soccer and basketball (both of which I've played and watch, so I'm not talking out of my ass) seem like people are just running around (which isn't true, of course, but comparatively that's what it seems like). And the amount of athleticism football players need to have is amazing.

I want to play rugby though, it looks like fun (minus the eye gouging...I know I'd never do that so it's kind of shitty knowing that other people could).

It is difficult for me to argue which is more strategic because I just don't know enough about football. I know soccer though, and there is an enormous amount of planning and strategy involved on the professional level. Just moving one player midgame from left mid to right mid can completely change the dynamic of a game. Or changing formation from 442 to 433. Or playing containing football and counter attack to all out offensive. Short passing attacking up the centre to spraying the ball out to the wings. All of which can be done midgame in the blink of an eye. No need for stoppages, or timeouts, just a few words or hand signals from the coach.

Anyway, anybody recommend a football team I should get behind?

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:28 pm

Aradhus wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
Aradhus wrote:I think you can be a lot more dirty with rugby though, stamping, eye gouging etc. American football just seems like a bunch of big dudes with armour running into each other. I've never played it though, and when I watch it I find it really difficult to get engaged in the action. Probably partly because I don't have a team to root for.
You'd think I'm crazy, but I'd argue football is the most intellectually engaging sport of all of the "major" world sports. The amount of strategy it requires makes other sports like soccer and basketball (both of which I've played and watch, so I'm not talking out of my ass) seem like people are just running around (which isn't true, of course, but comparatively that's what it seems like). And the amount of athleticism football players need to have is amazing.

I want to play rugby though, it looks like fun (minus the eye gouging...I know I'd never do that so it's kind of shitty knowing that other people could).

It is difficult for me to argue which is more strategic because I just don't know enough about football. I know soccer though, and there is an enormous amount of planning and strategy involved on the professional level. Just moving one player midgame from left mid to right mid can completely change the dynamic of a game. Or changing formation from 442 to 433. Or playing containing football and counter attack to all out offensive. Short passing attacking up the centre to spraying the ball out to the wings. All of which can be done midgame in the blink of an eye. No need for stoppages, or timeouts, just a few words or hand signals from the coach.

Anyway, anybody recommend a football team I should get behind?

Green Bay Packers are owned by the people of Wisconsin, so that would be a good place to start. But overall, people tend to root for either their Alma Mater (for college football) or the regional team/team they have the most ties with.

But every down in football they use a play (or strategy, which can extend through an entire drive). There are quick passes, standard passes, short throws, deep throws, middle throws, slants, crossing routes, deep routes, play action passes, pump fakes, draws, dives, slams, sprints, tosses, going up the gut, hitting the edges, options, read options, triple options, wildcat formations, screens, and those are the more standard/general play calls. But there are many different versions, not to mention which side you would call theplay on. And those don't even include reading the defense or being the defense.

Best thing to do is to see if you can rent NCAA Football (2008 and 2011 are good) to really learn about the strategies invloved. And maybe to get behind a team as well.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:17 pm

Arad, you should be like me when I was a kid and choose the team that has the cooles logo. I've stuck with the Broncos ever since!

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:38 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Arad, you should be like me when I was a kid and choose the team that has the cooles logo. I've stuck with the Broncos ever since!

Yep, and the Denver Donkies have not been doing much of anything since John Elway retired.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:13 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Arad, you should be like me when I was a kid and choose the team that has the cooles logo. I've stuck with the Broncos ever since!
Yep, and the Denver Donkies have not been doing much of anything since John Elway retired.

Not true. The first year the Steelers won the SB in the last decade, the Broncos were the number 2 seed, and played the Steelers in the conference championship. Obviously they lost, the next year they made the playoffs by beating Indy in the last game of the season and then LOST to Indy in the first game of the playoffs.

It's been downhill since. f*ck you McDaniels.

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:20 am

I've played both football and rugby. Rugby is exceedingly more violent.

ljex · Post by **ljex** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:12 am

Army of GOD wrote:
ljex wrote:a lot of those hits are good but i still think the worst football hits would hurt more, granted you dont have pads in rugby...but neither does the other player so they cant hit you as hard.

I wish rugby was more popular in the US from the few times i have watched it it seems like a spectator sport
Not even close. Hits with no pads on hurts a lot more. Granted, I've never played rugby, but I've played football with and without pads. With pads you can't do nearly as much because your movement is lessened and same with the other teams', so they can't tackle as well. Head-to-head collisions sans helmets fucking suck.

And you almost never see a football player with a bloodied face. Does rugby have a problem with concussions? That's pretty much the reason football has been "pussified" so much over the years.

Its like when one of the fighting sports added gloves, it didn't make fighting less dangerous like intended it just let people punch harder without their hands getting injured so it actually made fighting more dangerous. Pads in football allow people to throw their body into a hit more and not risk as much injury. Heard this from one of my high school teachers so i trust that they were being serious but this could be wrong.

Either way any of the big hits rugby or football will hurt and yes football has been pussified because of concussions

Genghis Khant · Post by **Genghis Khant** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:34 pm

thegreekdog wrote:How I miss it so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8v-qZFV ... grec_index

I especially like when the forwards get to hit backs.

Not even the referees are safe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NaYxeP1njc

Army of GOD wrote: Does rugby have a problem with concussions? That's pretty much the reason football has been "pussified" so much over the years.

Concussion is treated the same way as bleeding on the rugby pitch. The player in question leaves the pitch for treatment and a "blood substitute" comes on. The bleeding/concussed player then has 10 minutes to get patched up & return to the pitch, otherwise the blood substitution becomes permanent.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:46 pm

ljex wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
ljex wrote:a lot of those hits are good but i still think the worst football hits would hurt more, granted you dont have pads in rugby...but neither does the other player so they cant hit you as hard.

I wish rugby was more popular in the US from the few times i have watched it it seems like a spectator sport
Not even close. Hits with no pads on hurts a lot more. Granted, I've never played rugby, but I've played football with and without pads. With pads you can't do nearly as much because your movement is lessened and same with the other teams', so they can't tackle as well. Head-to-head collisions sans helmets fucking suck.

And you almost never see a football player with a bloodied face. Does rugby have a problem with concussions? That's pretty much the reason football has been "pussified" so much over the years.
Its like when one of the fighting sports added gloves, it didn't make fighting less dangerous like intended it just let people punch harder without their hands getting injured so it actually made fighting more dangerous. Pads in football allow people to throw their body into a hit more and not risk as much injury. Heard this from one of my high school teachers so i trust that they were being serious but this could be wrong.

Either way any of the big hits rugby or football will hurt and yes football has been pussified because of concussions

Well, cut blocks on the lines are illegal because they have a tendency to end careers and lowering your head to tackle someone can and has caused worse than concussions. Helmet ot helmet is illegal basically for the same reason. A tackler in football has been compared to being hit by a car going 35 mph. Plenty reason to take some precautions, especially when some of those guys are tipping the scales at well over 300 pounds and over 6 ft 4 in tall and running over 20 mph right at you. They take these precautions so players can still have a chance to play for the rest of their careers and hopefully go into the NFL.

OverDoseD · Post by **OverDoseD** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:35 am

Bringing in a bit of aussie bias, but rugby is much more physical and the hits hurt alot more than what i suspect NFL hits would. This is because i've played rugby for about 8 years, and i know that people who wears shoulder pads, are alot easier to tackle and put big shots on, but the big shots don't hurt either the tackler or the person being tackled. However if you put a big shot on when playing proper rugby (no padding), they hurt a shitload. But seeing as i've never played NFL i can't know whether hits in that game hurt the same as in rugby. Rugby is an extremely physical game, especially in the forwards and when you've got a 110kg winger running 100m in less than 10.5 at you. For all americans look up Lomu for NZ he was a beast of a player, probably more physical than AD (AP) or any RB in the NFL.

Another thing, if anyone has played both sports, ii personally think defence in Rugby is SO much better than in NFL. Defence in NFL looks pretty flimsy at times, but in rugby it has to be rock solid.

To all american's not paying out your sport, i love watching NFL and playing it when i get sick of rugby or touch footy, just offfering my opinion

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