The Murder Of Albarezzi- End Game- Mafia Wins!

[Anarkistsdream]

But A case is necessary

[pancakemix]

But A case is necessary

Yet I fail to see the difference between what I'm being accused of and Drabod's activity. Both of us were lying low, and responded when asked to. The only differences are I've certainly done more to cause discussion and am on the brink of getting lynched. Victor on the other hand has yet to comment on the case at hand. I could TRY to bring a case against Drabod or Victor, but that would be silly. Especially considering that there's another poster who's caught my eye.

Violet's the one who started this whole mess, calling me out for not commenting on how Victor, Commander, Safari, and Edoc all walked into a bar. It sounds like the start of a bad joke, because it is: the joke being the case against me. Naturally, when I saw this, I didn't feel very threatened, so I brushed it off. And when Nark voted me, that's just Nark being Nark, so I brushed that off too. Now I've already gotten in trouble once this game for using Commander's posts to state my opinion, but here it is again, because he put it quite well:

Well, I'm all for pressuring and stuff, but this looks kind of like a case from nowhere.

So already this case against me is faltering. And there wasn't much substance to begin with. The explanation she provided helps a little, but it only raises more questions.

I just find it odd that pancake didn't say a thing, and didn't even try to participate, or help the thread become more active. At least Victor said something, after I FOS'd him.

Even if you had made a post saying "what type of logic is that vio, how do you vote me off of a case on commander."

Of course it would be stating to obvious, however it would at least help to get the game going. You could have even made a joke case back against me. Something- anything- to help keep the game going.

You just don't seem to care either way.

It is true, I could have responded to Violet's joke case, but what good would have come of it? More goofing off? My apathy has created far more useful discussion than a joke case ever could. And it's not like something really needed to be said immediately, because people were posting right after Violet's post.

This is why I hate Day 1, because there's no logic to it. And since my cases tend to be made up of 75% logic, 15% sarcasm and humor, 10% luck, and 5% butterscotch ripple, I tend not to post apart from invoking a terrible pun or something (hence Trivial Pursuit). USUALLY, people don't bother me about this, because, well, it's Day 1 and it doesn't make sense.

Now Violet and I have never played together, so I don't expect her to know that. That said, the way she's latched onto this joke case kinda reminds me of the "Dirty Chicken" scene for Invader Zim (Here's a link, skip to 3:25). It's like we have to play this silly game before we can get anywhere.

But what really strikes me is that she thinks that I should care that I got joke voted. Joke votes mean nothing and lead to nothing unless there are a significant quantity placed on one person. Given my previously stated opinion on Day 1, you can see that I would take no stock in this, and I see no reason why I should. To call me out on it is beyond logic to me. If I wanted to say something about it, I would have. I could've even used an excuse like I've been busy in RL these past weeks (and that wouldn't even be a lie). But I didn't, and I won't, because joke votes don't threaten me. They're just part of Day 1, and I just let Day 1 take its course.

Now I don't think that all of this makes a case. But here comes the butterscotch ripple:

You could contribute your thoughts on the commander case against pancake.

This post stands out to me. It's directed at Drabod, but the way it is worded strikes me as odd. I have concluded that this post can only be interpreted as having 1 of 2 meanings:

1. She's still joking. If it's a reference to the earlier commander case which Violet presented (and was by her own admission a joke (and also got me a vote from her, thereby making it "the commander case against pancake".)), then it's intentionally misleading. I fail to see why, especially at this point, why I should comment on a joke case during Day 1. At this point I figure we've moved on to the "Serious Business" stage, so asking Drabod to comment on an admittedly nonsensical case against commander is not only a waste of time, it's a distraction. And to say my apathy is the case, well, see my above explanation and what I've been saying the whole time.

2. She is generally misdirecting the case against me. If the post is a reference to the vote-hopping thing, then she's just encouraging skimming, which is a scummy thing to do. I already cleared up what I meant by that post, and to even suggest that that's still a case is just unacceptable, and also very scummy. It seems as though that's how Drabod interpreted this post, and I almost certainly say that this was how Safari took it, so if this was the objective, it succeeded. Does that make any less scummy? Absolutely not.

So I'm going to go ahead and Unvote Vote Violet. It may be a weak case, but it's better than anything anyone has on me right now. And again, don't be hasty to put another vote on me. I WILL claim if it is asked of me.

[TheSaxlad]

Vote Count

1. Nark
2. Commander (2- spiesr, yoshi)
3. Pancake (4-nark,vi, edoc,safari)
4. Safari (1-/)
5. spiesr
6. Vi (3-drabod, Commander,pcm)
7. Edoc
8. / (1-VS)
9. drabod
10. Sully
11. Yoshi

11 Alive, 6 To Lynch.

I promised and here it is. As for / I couldnt do a 5 vote hammer on safari unfortunately. So I decided to give you one vote instead

Plus that was work so If Im wrong tell me and I will be doing this more often...

[pancakemix]

Ok so I'm not a -1, I can't count 1 2 5.

[DoomYoshi]

he missed pcm's vote above
both vi and pancake are at 3

[DoomYoshi]

oh nvm, he missed saf's vote too, so its 4-3 from what i can tell

[VioIet]

Drabod, that is really not very nice. But whatever.


First look at this post by edoc:

by edocsil on Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:29 pm

I smell a trap.

It's a trap!

Oh good, I was sad I hadn't seen this posted yet .

Then look at this very next post, from me:

by VioIet on Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:07 am

Pancake hasn't posted for days, and has not even bothered to address any of the points in my argument. I will keep my vote on him.

My emphasis it not so much on the content of those two post, but rather the timing.
You notice that edoc posted on the 7th and the very next post from me was on the 10th. That means about two in a half days with no post. That's a long time. An active game should get several posts per day.
I was enjoying this game immensely as all the joke rants between me, commander, edoc, safari and victor were quite funny, imo. I was sad to see the inactivity. After waiting a few days to post, i saw that no one else was going to do so. So I posted, hoping to pick the game back up.

It is true that there were more scubarimers at that point than pancake. To be honest, we all are to blame for the thread going two days with no posts. But of all the scubarimes, pancake stood out to me the most.
When you have nothing going on but jokes early on Day 1, the next step to gradually make the game more serious is to put pressure on one of the inactives, in hopes that it will prompt them to post. So that is exactly what i did - Pick an inactive and vote them. I already had a joke vote on pancake, that meant nothing before. I stated that my vote would remain on pancake for a lack of posts.
Pancake, I can understand that you didn't feel it was necessary to respond to a joke case. I understand completely. But I do think its reasonable to try to help the game, but you just weren't posting at all.
I'm used to receiving a lot of wth vio's after my posts, so I was expecting something along those lines. I got nothing.
You didn't even have to respond to my post, you could have talked about something/anything else. So out of the other inactives- you came to mind.
Then after that- the whole vote hopping thing happened- and i think the game is finally beginning to go to another level.

I know you feel as though the case on you is weak, and that you are being pressured for nothing. Well this is pretty much the only thing to go on Day 1. Right now the subjects of choice are me and you. Even though you are receiving a lot of pressure right now
And you stated that you think i should care that you got joke voted. No, not really. My vote on you now (not including the original joke one) is for inactivity.

My comment which was directed at Drabod, was doing the same thing. Drabod posted that he had nothing to say, so i told him he could comment on the current commander case against pancake. Silly or not, it would help to promote discussion.

I would like to shift attention a bit to anark right now. His last three posts scream "flying under the radar" to me for some reason. I don't think it is enough for a vote yet, but just an internal feeling.

I think an FOS anark is warranted.

[Anarkistsdream]

I am trying to fly under the radar... haha... This game is a little heated right now... Check out how long some of these posts have been!

If I say too much, I am asking to be brought into it. If I say nothing, I'm submarining. So, I thought, just say a little something so people can't say I'm not posting!

[safariguy5]

I'm not getting the whole Drabod hate on Vio there. Is that a Pr thing, a RL thing, or a whatever thing?

As for Vio now FoSing anark, there's an easier way for flying under the radar. Not posting. If anything, Victor and Drabod were flying under the radar far more than Anark was. And the part in your post about enjoying the bar scene was a bit counterproductive to me. Fluff is fluff, however fun it might be, getting down and looking for clues is more important and I think the joke stage dragged on too long and killed the thread in this case. Joking is not to be encouraged because it drags the day out.

[Drabod]

I'm not getting the whole Drabod hate on Vio there. Is that a Pr thing, a RL thing, or a whatever thing?

As for Vio now FoSing anark, there's an easier way for flying under the radar. Not posting. If anything, Victor and Drabod were flying under the radar far more than Anark was. And the part in your post about enjoying the bar scene was a bit counterproductive to me. Fluff is fluff, however fun it might be, getting down and looking for clues is more important and I think the joke stage dragged on too long and killed the thread in this case. Joking is not to be encouraged because it drags the day out.

I said on day 1 anyone could shout meaningless abuse so thats why i wrote that in small letters it was an obvious joke i thought

UNVOTE

[safariguy5]

Ok, well my thoughts on pcm is that he might have said some suspicious things, but nothing really out and out scummy to me. Vio was trying to get the game going again, and Drabod seems to have woken up. Victor, let's face it, is probably too busy with other things to consistently post in here. If we're going to lynch someone for submarining, why not go for the guy who's probably going to be the least active is not nonexistent in all likelihood in the coming days? Dead weight best shed now.

unvote vote Victor

No knock on you as a player Sully, but you have that newsletter stuff and are really busy. I just don't think you can concentrate on everything at once.

[Commander9]

Okay, here goes:

1. Nark - sort of scummy, but behaviour doesn't seem any different from his normal self. Enough posts, but very little substance...

But A case is necessary

This particularly worries me - so basically any case, even if it's built on completely fake grounds, is better than nothing? I am sorry, but I disagree.

2. Commander - excluded from the analysis as I'm obviously biased.

3. pancake - a big case of scummaring, but he provided a good defence afterwards (IMO). To be fair, I really don't think there's a case, but if we won't find anything better today, we may find ourselves coming back here.

4. safari - posted about enough to not attract attention and seems to be working for a good cause. Nothing scummy as of now.

5. spiesr - not much more posting and claims a post restriction about world ending. In this theme, not really sure how that works. From his post, it does seem that he has been following the game, but not posting. Scummy.

6. Vi - very active and has posted a lot. A bit different from her usual gameplay, so I'm a bit suspicious, but just like against Edoc, there's nothing particularly scummy (unless we'd take into account the fact that pretty much everything she posted was in a joke form, but then again, it appears that we have much better targets).

7. Edoc - I feel that he has contributed more than in recent games I've seen. I'd usually regard this as a good sign, but since I've seen quite a bit of usual play, I'm rather suspicious. However, I have no basis as of now, so no case either.

8. / - if anyone should be blamed for scummaring, it's / (well, him and Sully). He has 4 posts in total - he signed up, then confirmed and then 2 joke votes. However, people don't seem to be paying attention... Hmmm...

9. drabod - his usual self too: barely posting and not a lot of sense. His last post was an example of skimming, but at least he tried, so not too worried here.

10. Sully - 1 post through-out the whole game? Hmmm.... Pressuring or replacing looks to be like the best option (just like with /).

11. Yoshi - not many posts and even less substance. His longest post was just a bit over 2 lines and he has absolutely no substance in it. Obviously, no crime at Day 1, but I don't really like his start.

Conclusion: / probably should be replaced - just because out, doesn't mean he's scum, although we do know that in Matrix he was a Godfather and did the same thing, so we should keep an eye.


My opinion so far:
Townies: PCM, safari, Nark.
Uncertain: Vioiet, Edoc, /, Sully, drabod.
Possible scum: Spiesr, Yoshi.

My conclusion?

Unvote. Vote Yoshi.

[/]

not...submarining...just waiting to see if my request for extra votes went through
Also I've been busy for the last week. As anyone who cares to look can see, I've been catching up with all the games now, and this game's been in joke stage until yesterday.

[VioIet]

Wow, I had totally forgot that / was even in the game.

Lots of scumariners here, I see.

Doom yoshi did say that he was going to a convention, and would be inactive for a few days.

Don't know what's going on with victor, and pancake and drabod are active now.
Spiers kinda of did role claim or flavor claim out of nowhere. There was really no pressure on him whatsoever to do that.

Also isn't the fun of a post-restriction, not to say what it is, but let others figure it out. I should almost vote spiers for ruining the fun

Pancake did defend himself well, so unvote pancake for now.

[spiesr]

Alright, lets spin the wheel of crazy and see what comes up. Looks like death by locusts.

3. pancake - a big case of scummaring, but he provided a good defence afterwards (IMO). To be fair, I really don't think there's a case, but if we won't find anything better today, we may find ourselves coming back here.

I don't see how you can still insist the pancake was sucmmarining. This is based off of the post where you misinterpreted him as saying that you had been vote hopping due to his poorly formatted post right? His defesnse doesn't make an excuse/explanation for him scummarining, it shows that he wasn't. You also list him as someone the you apparently think is town, but imply that you would accept lynching him if we don't find anything better. For this you get an FOS.

[Commander9]

I don't see how you can still insist the pancake was sucmmarining. This is based off of the post where you misinterpreted him as saying that you had been vote hopping due to his poorly formatted post right? His defesnse doesn't make an excuse/explanation for him scummarining, it shows that he wasn't. You also list him as someone the you apparently think is town, but imply that you would accept lynching him if we don't find anything better. For this you get an FOS.

lol. Nice way to misinterpret what I've said - no, it's not based on that post at all. It's based on the fact that until recently he barely posted anything. Say what you want, but while he did it with a reason and I do think that he's pro-town so far, he still was scummaring - that's a fact: He was following the game, but not posting.

I never said that I will support lynching him, but I've been here long enough to know that the 1st bw a lot of times ends up being the lynch. I'm being a realist.

FoS Spiesr for completely twisting my words.

[safariguy5]

Don't forget to bold that unvote vio.

DoomYoshi said he was going to a convention but is back now, so there's no excuse. Still, between all the different possibilities for submariners, I'd still go for the one that is least likely to participate. Sure, Yoshi may not participate that much, but he's at least a warm body with a vote. I hardly ever see Victor here, so even if he was here, he probably wouldn't contribute a vote. If Yoshi really is scum, voting patterns will probably expose him sooner or later. With absolute inactivity, nobody can say for sure 1 way or another which is why I prefer Sully.

[/]

For meta-gaming reasons I agree, some pressure there doesn't hurt, vic is great at slipping through the cracks even after several phases of nothing or nothing but joke votes, in fir's recent Role Mafia he couldn't even get lynched while trying to get lynched.
I'm jealous, unvote vote Victor

[Commander9]

Don't forget to bold that unvote vio.

DoomYoshi said he was going to a convention but is back now, so there's no excuse. Still, between all the different possibilities for submariners, I'd still go for the one that is least likely to participate. Sure, Yoshi may not participate that much, but he's at least a warm body with a vote. I hardly ever see Victor here, so even if he was here, he probably wouldn't contribute a vote. If Yoshi really is scum, voting patterns will probably expose him sooner or later. With absolute inactivity, nobody can say for sure 1 way or another which is why I prefer Sully.

Hmm, okay, fair enough - good point.

Unvote. Vote Victor. (I'd still rather see him replaced, though)

[edocsil]

Don't forget to bold that unvote vio.

DoomYoshi said he was going to a convention but is back now, so there's no excuse. Still, between all the different possibilities for submariners, I'd still go for the one that is least likely to participate. Sure, Yoshi may not participate that much, but he's at least a warm body with a vote. I hardly ever see Victor here, so even if he was here, he probably wouldn't contribute a vote. If Yoshi really is scum, voting patterns will probably expose him sooner or later. With absolute inactivity, nobody can say for sure 1 way or another which is why I prefer Sully.

Hmm, okay, fair enough - good point.

Unvote. Vote Victor. (I'd still rather see him replaced, though)

I as well.

[pancakemix]

My emphasis it not so much on the content of those two post, but rather the timing.
You notice that edoc posted on the 7th and the very next post from me was on the 10th. (...) That's a long time.
I was enjoying this game immensely as all the joke rants between me, commander, edoc, safari and victor were quite funny, imo. I was sad to see the inactivity. After waiting a few days to post, i saw that no one else was going to do so. So I posted, hoping to pick the game back up.

But you see I HAD posted after your joke case. Not in direct reference to it, and a joke post at that, but a post is a post. So I can't be blamed entirely just because I didn't post until after the thread had gone dormant the second time. And once the thread dies once I feel like it's time to move on to something more important. If that's targeting people who aren't posting, fine if that's all you've got. But that doesn't mean ask them to comment on a joke case. That's almost counterproductive. Not all discussion is good discussion. Sure it might be funny, but generally I don't pay much attention to it because it's not that important.

(...) But of all the scubarimes, pancake stood out to me the most. (...) So that is exactly what i did - Pick an inactive and vote them. I already had a joke vote on pancake, that meant nothing before. I stated that my vote would remain on pancake for a lack of posts.

Wait...

I almost thought about taking my vote off you- just because of your increased activity, but I think i will keep it there for awhile

No you didn't?

My comment which was directed at Drabod, was doing the same thing. Drabod posted that he had nothing to say, so i told him he could comment on the current commander case against pancake. Silly or not, it would help to promote discussion.

Based on this wording, you're saying you wanted him to post about the joke case. So you wanted to waste our time?

I would like to shift attention a bit to anark right now. His last three posts scream "flying under the radar" to me for some reason. I don't think it is enough for a vote yet, but just an internal feeling.

I think an FOS anark is warranted.

I'll let nark speak for himself as far as his own defense is concerned. What really strikes me is that this little add on at the end is even there. You admit to trying to shift attention, but I've brought up a case on you here. Typically when I go feral on someone they try to at least explain their actions. By FOSing nark, you seem to be trying to take the back door out. Unvoting me as almost an afterthought in your next post doesn't exactly cast any doubt on this line of thinking.

On Victor: I love how people will vote someone and suggest they be replaced in the same post. It has been 10 days since his last post, but if you're gonna lynch him, lynch him and if you want him replaced, have him replaced. You can't do both. Personally, I say prod him and if he doesn't respond, then replace him.

[VioIet]

For meta-gaming reasons I agree, some pressure there doesn't hurt, vic is great at slipping through the cracks even after several phases of nothing or nothing but joke votes, in fir's recent Role Mafia he couldn't even get lynched while trying to get lynched.
I'm jealous, unvote vote Victor

That quote is pretty funny

Victor could be the town cop, for all we know. It would be better for him to be replaced.

Unvote pancake

[Commander9]

Well, as we've seen in Matrix mafia, some pressure on the inactive can lead him to re-appear, so that's why my vote is on him. I'd love for the mod to look for a replacement for him, but some pressure will not hurt until we're looking. In fact, we may solve the problem this way.

[VioIet]

While this is true, and I think you have a good point- I would like to mention something else.

Not a lot of people are eager to volunteer to replace someone who already has a ton of votes on him. It is somewhat of a lose-lost situation for them, as they cannot really be held accountable for what the previous person did- or even provide a defense for that. However we cannot let the replaced player off the hook for what the previous player did.

So I think if we truly want Victor to be replaced, then it would be best to make sure that he doesn't accumulate too many votes during the process.

I think i will turn my FOS on anark into a vote. He willingly admitted to flying under the radar. And i know it was a joke- and the post amused me. But still. I want to vote him.

Vote Anark

[TheSaxlad]

Prodding Victor.