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lord voldemort wrote:Both number 1 seeds gone. At least the yankees werent predicted to be there at the start. Whilst the year is still a failure...The Phillies however should of been there. After getting Lee and Pence. Thats an even bigger failure...2001 Seattle Mariners??
lord voldemort wrote:Both number 1 seeds gone. At least the yankees werent predicted to be there at the start. Whilst the year is still a failure...The Phillies however should of been there. After getting Lee and Pence. Thats an even bigger failure...2001 Seattle Mariners??
A bigger failure than the 2011 Red Sox.
Not really. The Phillies only lost 3 games over 1 week. The Red Sox lost about 30 games over 1 month.
Red Sox weren't a failure, though I'm biased. We didn't have pitching and we didn't have enough fake pitching to bullshit our way to the playoffs. Our offense looked amazing on paper, but Youk got hurt again and Crawford played like shit. Phillies are a bigger disappointment considering they got to the World Series two out of the last three years and have, arguably, one of the greatest rotations in the history of baseball. But the Cardinals are the Cardinals. LaRussa is a great manager and Carpenter gave up one less run than Halliday.
maasman wrote:The Brewers are going to be tough to beat at home.
The Phillys had home field... They let the Cardinals into the post season and the Cards showed them the door. All the division series were tight in both leagues and I expect both Championship Series to be close too.
September 2011 results Atlanta Braves = 9 - 19 Boston Red Sox = 8 - 20 or something close to that I did not look it up. Both Tampa Bay and St.Louis finished with almost the opposite of those W/L records.
Serbia wrote:Ok, if you take the premise that the BoSox weren't failures, then they definitely were history's greatest choke artists.
Not even close to the 2004 Yankees.
You have to make the playoffs to blow a 3-0 series lead.
Making the playoffs and winning the ALCS are a lot different. The Rays didn't even get to the next round, the Red Sox swept the Cardinals the next series. The Red Sox choke was pretty bad, but the Yankees choke was the worst in history of sports, bar none, especially considering it was against their rivals.
Wow.... No Phillies. No Red Sox. No Yankees in the ALCS/NLCS...... It's a great year for baseball! (Even though my team didn't even make it into the playoffs.)
Criticalwinner wrote:Wow.... No Phillies. No Red Sox. No Yankees in the ALCS/NLCS...... It's a great year for baseball! (Even though my team didn't even make it into the playoffs.)
Criticalwinner wrote:Wow.... No Phillies. No Red Sox. No Yankees in the ALCS/NLCS...... It's a great year for baseball! (Even though my team didn't even make it into the playoffs.)
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I will always hate the yankees as well. I didn't like the phillies either, but that was because I viewed them as the greatest threat to the brewers.
Army of GOD wrote: Making the playoffs and winning the ALCS are a lot different. The Rays didn't even get to the next round, the Red Sox swept the Cardinals the next series. The Red Sox choke was pretty bad, but the Yankees choke was the worst in history of sports, bar none, especially considering it was against their rivals.
Other than being against their rivals...what makes it the biggest choke in the history of sports?
Army of GOD wrote: Making the playoffs and winning the ALCS are a lot different. The Rays didn't even get to the next round, the Red Sox swept the Cardinals the next series. The Red Sox choke was pretty bad, but the Yankees choke was the worst in history of sports, bar none, especially considering it was against their rivals.
Other than being against their rivals...what makes it the biggest choke in the history of sports?
Yankees had by far the largest payroll and were expected to win the World Series again. A 3-0 comeback has never been done in baseball, and if I remember correctly, when a team came back 3-0 in the NHL and NBA, they didn't win the title, which the Red Sox did. The Yankees got the Red Sox to 2 outs left in the fourth game when David Robertson stole a base while everyone in the world knew he was going to and then Bill Mueller (my lover) hit him in, against THE greatest closer in the history of baseball.
Though I'm extremely biased, I don't think the Red Sox collapse is anywhere near the magnitude of the 2004 ALCS. The NHL had its share of chokes lately, but I don't think any of them had anywhere near as much drama as the Red Sox/Yankees series.
Oh, and not to mention that year the Red Sox snapped a 86 year drought.
Army of GOD wrote: Making the playoffs and winning the ALCS are a lot different. The Rays didn't even get to the next round, the Red Sox swept the Cardinals the next series. The Red Sox choke was pretty bad, but the Yankees choke was the worst in history of sports, bar none, especially considering it was against their rivals.
Other than being against their rivals...what makes it the biggest choke in the history of sports?
Yankees had by far the largest payroll and were expected to win the World Series again. A 3-0 comeback has never been done in baseball, and if I remember correctly, when a team came back 3-0 in the NHL and NBA, they didn't win the title, which the Red Sox did. The Yankees got the Red Sox to 2 outs left in the fourth game when David Robertson stole a base while everyone in the world knew he was going to and then Bill Mueller (my lover) hit him in, against THE greatest closer in the history of baseball.
Though I'm extremely biased, I don't think the Red Sox collapse is anywhere near the magnitude of the 2004 ALCS. The NHL had its share of chokes lately, but I don't think any of them had anywhere near as much drama as the Red Sox/Yankees series.
Oh, and not to mention that year the Red Sox snapped a 86 year drought.
Though I am not a Leafs fan...they came back from in 3-0 hole to the Red Wings (sorry Serbs) and won the Stanley Cup. Baseball has a higher profile, so therefore gets a more weighted bias. And yes the Yankees had a huge payroll...but the Sox weren't far behind them that year.
Army of GOD wrote: Making the playoffs and winning the ALCS are a lot different. The Rays didn't even get to the next round, the Red Sox swept the Cardinals the next series. The Red Sox choke was pretty bad, but the Yankees choke was the worst in history of sports, bar none, especially considering it was against their rivals.
Other than being against their rivals...what makes it the biggest choke in the history of sports?
Yankees had by far the largest payroll and were expected to win the World Series again. A 3-0 comeback has never been done in baseball, and if I remember correctly, when a team came back 3-0 in the NHL and NBA, they didn't win the title, which the Red Sox did. The Yankees got the Red Sox to 2 outs left in the fourth game when David Robertson stole a base while everyone in the world knew he was going to and then Bill Mueller (my lover) hit him in, against THE greatest closer in the history of baseball.
Though I'm extremely biased, I don't think the Red Sox collapse is anywhere near the magnitude of the 2004 ALCS. The NHL had its share of chokes lately, but I don't think any of them had anywhere near as much drama as the Red Sox/Yankees series.
Oh, and not to mention that year the Red Sox snapped a 86 year drought.
Though I am not a Leafs fan...they came back from in 3-0 hole to the Red Wings (sorry Serbs) and won the Stanley Cup. Baseball has a higher profile, so therefore gets a more weighted bias. And yes the Yankees had a huge payroll...but the Sox weren't far behind them that year.
Army of GOD wrote: If you consider 60 million not that far behind, then yea, you're right.
And the Sox were $25 million more than the next team. So they were the second highest payroll in baseball and them beating the Yankees wasn't a shock. The 3-0 deficit was impressive though.
Army of GOD wrote: If you consider 60 million not that far behind, then yea, you're right.
And the Sox were $25 million more than the next team. So they were the second highest payroll in baseball and them beating the Yankees wasn't a shock. The 3-0 deficit was impressive though.
Their payroll was literally 150% that of the Red Sox. It's by far the largest payroll gap.
Army of GOD wrote: If you consider 60 million not that far behind, then yea, you're right.
And the Sox were $25 million more than the next team. So they were the second highest payroll in baseball and them beating the Yankees wasn't a shock. The 3-0 deficit was impressive though.
Their payroll was literally 150% that of the Red Sox. It's by far the largest payroll gap.
Yup. Agreed. But the Sox winning was not a surprise. They were the second best team in baseball that year. Coming back from the deficit was a great feat. Using your logic regarding payroll, every year the Yankees don't win should be considered an epic failure. They are always $25-$35 million over the next team.
Cruz's second homer slams the door on the Tigers in the 11th (7-3) and the Card's put up 12 runs on 17 hits to even their series (12-3).
Yesterday evening the ALCS was in Texas and both teams immediately flew to Michigan so they could play Game 3 tonight. I'm wondering now... what's the rush?
LaRussa, often criticized for 'over-managing', made all the right calls tonight.
I'm not gonna lie, I like the Cards a bit more than the Brewers right now but it seems a bit unfair to the Brewers' season. Cardinals were not as consistent, or more accurately, were consistently below the Brewers in the standings.
Although I don't like Nyjer Morgan, he's in the wrong sport. So whoever wins is ok with me.
The Rangers/Tigers series has been great and the separation most innings has been one run or tied. A bad hop off the third base saved Detroit from elimination last game
