US Public Schools... suck.

[chang50]

I think the OP has a valid point here,I can't think of another first world country that allows religion so much influence in the public arena,not just education.Perhaps the people who cannot see a link between this and many of the country's problems are too near to the problem to see it..

[Metsfanmax]

Religion might affect the quality of our science education but is not really the core of our educational concerns.

[john9blue]

I think the OP has a valid point here,I can't think of another first world country that allows religion so much influence in the public arena,not just education.Perhaps the people who cannot see a link between this and many of the country's problems are too near to the problem to see it..

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[Army of GOD]

I think the OP has a valid point here,I can't think of another first world country that allows religion so much influence in the public arena,not just education.Perhaps the people who cannot see a link between this and many of the country's problems are too near to the problem to see it..

[Lootifer]

That graph is helpful but deceiving.

If Cuba and the US percentage was 30% for both that would mean that the US spent say 2,000dls per student while Cuba spent 50dls.

Equipment is gonna cost the same if it comes from China. So the US stills spends a lot more than any other country in education per student.

I was going to remove sub-first world countries since they have volatile GDP/capita stats but left in it in...

There's some countries that are obviously bunkum, but for the most part it shows that the US isn't waaaay over the top in terms of education spend (which was my point).

[Aradhus]

That graph is helpful but deceiving.

If Cuba and the US percentage was 30% for both that would mean that the US spent say 2,000dls per student while Cuba spent 50dls.

Equipment is gonna cost the same if it comes from China. So the US stills spends a lot more than any other country in education per student.

I was going to remove sub-first world countries since they have volatile GDP/capita stats but left in it in...

There's some countries that are obviously bunkum, but for the most part it shows that the US isn't waaaay over the top in terms of education spend (which was my point).

You lie! The graph is fake. USA is waaaay over the top in everything it does. Everything. USA IS NUMBER 1 BABY!

[notyou2]

Wow, Canada didn't even make the chart.

[Lootifer]

Wow, Canada didn't even make the chart.

I left out countries where my averaging didn't work. If you check the source you'll be able to get an idea.

[Aradhus]

Canada must not spend money on education!

Oh yea, it seems so obvious now.

[BigBallinStalin]

Wow, Canada didn't even make the chart.

I left out countries where my averaging didn't work. If you check the source you'll be able to get an idea.

Your chart is stoopid.

[PLAYER57832]

yes, children dislike school because they feel that the knowledge being offered to the does not conform to the modern scientific consensus

you crack me up, NY2...

Kids dislike school when parents give them the impression that science is not serious, the stuff being taught is boring or just plain wrong.

[Jenos Ridan 2nd]

Religion might affect the quality of our science education but is not really the core of our educational concerns.

Since it impares the quality of our science education, I'd say it is a bigger deal than you suggest.

[thegreekdog]

Religion might affect the quality of our science education but is not really the core of our educational concerns.

Since it impares the quality of our science education, I'd say it is a bigger deal than you suggest.

I think the real question may be what impears the quality of the English language skills.

[pimpdave]

Religion might affect the quality of our science education but is not really the core of our educational concerns.

Since it impares the quality of our science education, I'd say it is a bigger deal than you suggest.

I think the real question may be what impears the quality of the English language skills.

lol

[thegreekdog]

Religion might affect the quality of our science education but is not really the core of our educational concerns.

Since it impares the quality of our science education, I'd say it is a bigger deal than you suggest.

I think the real question may be what impears the quality of the English language skills.

lol

What, you don't like pears?

[Army of GOD]

yes, children dislike school because they feel that the knowledge being offered to the does not conform to the modern scientific consensus

you crack me up, NY2...

Kids dislike school when parents give them the impression that science is not serious, the stuff being taught is boring or just plain wrong.

I don't know exactly what the mindset was of most of the kids in my high school, but if I had to guess, it was boring and they didn't care.

A good memory I have is one of my better friends junior year of high school had strong aspirations to eventually become some sort of engineer. He got into drugs and now he's unemployed, been arrested a few times and literally does nothing.

I think it's just a general apathy. They sort of live off their parents' success but don't realize that at some point, their parents will tell them to leave the house and do something. They're screwed at this point because they didn't bother trying when they should've.

[notyou2]

yes, children dislike school because they feel that the knowledge being offered to the does not conform to the modern scientific consensus

you crack me up, NY2...

Kids dislike school when parents give them the impression that science is not serious, the stuff being taught is boring or just plain wrong.

I don't know exactly what the mindset was of most of the kids in my high school, but if I had to guess, it was boring and they didn't care.

A good memory I have is one of my better friends junior year of high school had strong aspirations to eventually become some sort of engineer. He got into drugs and now he's unemployed, been arrested a few times and literally does nothing.

I think it's just a general apathy. They sort of live off their parents' success but don't realize that at some point, their parents will tell them to leave the house and do something. They're screwed at this point because they didn't bother trying when they should've.

Perhaps your friend had a horrible home life and drugs was an escape. Or maybe something else traumatic happened in his life.

[Metsfanmax]

Religion might affect the quality of our science education but is not really the core of our educational concerns.

Since it impares the quality of our science education, I'd say it is a bigger deal than you suggest.

What exactly do you think I am suggesting? Saying that how religion plays into science education isn't our largest educational concern does not downplay the importance of that topic, but only suggests that the system it's threatening is already teaching science the wrong way.

[Army of GOD]

yes, children dislike school because they feel that the knowledge being offered to the does not conform to the modern scientific consensus

you crack me up, NY2...

Kids dislike school when parents give them the impression that science is not serious, the stuff being taught is boring or just plain wrong.

I don't know exactly what the mindset was of most of the kids in my high school, but if I had to guess, it was boring and they didn't care.

A good memory I have is one of my better friends junior year of high school had strong aspirations to eventually become some sort of engineer. He got into drugs and now he's unemployed, been arrested a few times and literally does nothing.

I think it's just a general apathy. They sort of live off their parents' success but don't realize that at some point, their parents will tell them to leave the house and do something. They're screwed at this point because they didn't bother trying when they should've.

Perhaps your friend had a horrible home life and drugs was an escape. Or maybe something else traumatic happened in his life.

Maybe, but this is the same track about 60% of my graduating class was on too. I think less than 10% went to a college that wasn't a community college.

And of about the 20% that did go to a community college, only 2 graduated. That's 2 people, not percent.

[PLAYER57832]

yes, children dislike school because they feel that the knowledge being offered to the does not conform to the modern scientific consensus

you crack me up, NY2...

Kids dislike school when parents give them the impression that science is not serious, the stuff being taught is boring or just plain wrong.

I don't know exactly what the mindset was of most of the kids in my high school, but if I had to guess, it was boring and they didn't care.

A good memory I have is one of my better friends junior year of high school had strong aspirations to eventually become some sort of engineer. He got into drugs and now he's unemployed, been arrested a few times and literally does nothing.

I think it's just a general apathy. They sort of live off their parents' success but don't realize that at some point, their parents will tell them to leave the house and do something. They're screwed at this point because they didn't bother trying when they should've.

This is what happens when you have a BAD teacher. It is not what we should just expect and accept.

Sure, some kids will feel this way (though the most talented teachers have ways of interesting even most of them), and some subjects are much harder to make interesting than others. However, science, taught properly is and always will be at the forefront of excitement, because it helps kids learn to explore their world.

[Nobunaga]

yes, children dislike school because they feel that the knowledge being offered to the does not conform to the modern scientific consensus

you crack me up, NY2...

Kids dislike school when parents give them the impression that science is not serious, the stuff being taught is boring or just plain wrong.

I don't know exactly what the mindset was of most of the kids in my high school, but if I had to guess, it was boring and they didn't care.

A good memory I have is one of my better friends junior year of high school had strong aspirations to eventually become some sort of engineer. He got into drugs and now he's unemployed, been arrested a few times and literally does nothing.

I think it's just a general apathy. They sort of live off their parents' success but don't realize that at some point, their parents will tell them to leave the house and do something. They're screwed at this point because they didn't bother trying when they should've.

This is what happens when you have a BAD teacher. It is not what we should just expect and accept.

... They should be fired. Oh... wait.... (unions)... never mind.

...

[Timminz]

the most talented teachers have ways of interesting even most of them

They also have ways of getting hired at decent schools, in order to avoid the terrible public ones.

[BigBallinStalin]

This is what happens when you have a BAD teacher. It is not what we should just expect and accept.

... They should be fired. Oh... wait.... (unions)... never mind.

...

Where's the left-wing retort when ya need it?

[Army of GOD]

This is what happens when you have a BAD teacher. It is not what we should just expect and accept.

... They should be fired. Oh... wait.... (unions)... never mind.

...

Where's the left-wing retort when ya need it?

I think we can all agree that onions are the problem

[Woodruff]

If public schools really do suck (and I don't immediately buy into that suggestion), then it is solely because parents allow them to suck. Parental involvement in most schools is minimal at best, and in those schools with significant parental involvement, the success of students is enormous. Sadly, most parents just want a damn babysitter for their kid instead of an actual education.

Teachers unions certainly can play a part in the problem...but the real problem lies at the feet of parents, period.