Czecho Slovak Fragmentation [Quenched]

[Oneyed]

Map Name: Fragmentation of CSFR
Mapmaker(s): Oneyed
Number of Territories: it would be a small map. 34 regions
Special Features: bonuses are based on two republics insude Czecho Slovak Federal Republic - Czech Republic and Slovak Republic
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made: history, small map with "not clasic" gameplay

this is map about fragmentation CzechoSlovak federal republic in 1.1.1993.
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here are changes.
- the capitals are +1 autodeploy
- the border of CSFR and border between CR and SR are darker
- I asked Gilligan for helpwith xml

last change:
capitals gain +2 for every 4 towns in the same republic.
Brno is not more neutral.

[bigimg]http://s7.postimg.org/980plng17/840x800_csfr_FINAL2.png[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://s28.postimg.org/tbxndryu5/630x600_csfr_FINAL2.png[/bigimg]
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what about to change bonus for capitals and 4 towns to +2 instead +1?
when we look at kraj bonus in the slovak republic here is +2 for each. it is 4 territoreis, 3 to secure. in the czech republic kraj bonus is +4 for every 2 kraje. it is 6 territories, 4 to secure. capital with 4 towns it is 5 territories and 5 to secure.
so I have two ideas:
1, make +2 for every 4 towns (in CR/SR) with capital or
2, make capitals +1 autodeploy.

updated legend.

[spoiler][bigimg]http://s15.postimg.org/xakvp6j0b/840x800_iancanton.png[/bigimg]

[bigimg]http://s21.postimg.org/kbozse8s7/630x600_iancanton.png[/bigimg]

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updated xml. Praha, Bratislava start n2 instead n3. corrected Kraje instead Kraj in Bratislava negative bonus.

update without Gilligan name.
[bigimg]http://s23.postimage.org/3zhz1sp6z/630x600_02.png[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://s13.postimage.org/e9wplfduv/840_02.png[/bigimg]

redrawn both maps. changed railway.

http://s16.postimage.org/m9kv94ljp/840_02.png
http://s3.postimage.org/bvscy2ger/630x600_02.png

this one with lower opacity of small CR/SR maps in upper right legend/bottom left legend:
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4301/840x80002.png
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2420/630x60002.png

and this one with more opacity for small CR/SR maps:
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8490/840x80001.png
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9213/630x60001.png

added story to the map. is it better?
thanks to cairnswk, nolefan and x-raider for help with story text.

explained capitals connections
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/8075/lastcsfrbigstory2.png

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9620/verylastsmallstory2.png[/spoiler]

the xml updated here is the right one.

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[sannemanrobinson]

I like it, a small map with different gameplay. You could skip some of the rules so the player doesnt have to read all the manual thats attached to it. Highways are mostly redundant because regions already border each other (Zilma can attack Poprad without a highway). Also if you draw a regional border around the capitals you might not have to explain that in the legend.

[Oneyed]

I like it, a small map with different gameplay.

thanks.

You could skip some of the rules so the player doesnt have to read all the manual thats attached to it.

I will need any help from somebody with better english

Highways are mostly redundant because regions already border each other (Zilma can attack Poprad without a highway).

Zilina can not attack Poprad without highway. Zilina must attack SSK (region) and then attack VSK (region) and only then Porad. highway is more important for Slovakia, because there are only three regions and only two borders - ZSK with SSK and SSK with VSK.

Also if you draw a regional border around the capitals you might not have to explain that in the legend.

sounds good. need some more opinions on this.

thansk for your input.

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[zimmah]

did you just take a map from the internet and put you own graphics over it?

all that small text is really distracting from the map and the font is also not really looking great.

i mean the map itself is acceptable, but i hope you will actually draw something nicer.

[sannemanrobinson]

You could skip some of the rules so the player doesnt have to read all the manual thats attached to it.

What I meant was: the legend is rather big.

You could reduce this by reducing the amount of rules for the game. Or make it more easy to read like this:



You will also have to make clear which regions are Czech end which regions are Slovak.

[Oneyed]

I hope legend is clear now. also graphic is completly new, I let the old map as background.
[bigimg]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/388/csfr3.png[/bigimg]

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[natty dread]

Is the map image you're using as background free of copyright?

[Oneyed]

Is the map image you're using as background free of copyright?

hm, never thought about this from this view . it is old map used in public, mainly in schools...

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[natty dread]

You need to know for 100% sure that there's no copyright on the image, otherwise you cannot use it here.

[Oneyed]

this is what I know: it is wall map for public usage, anybody could buy it in shop, there is no mention about copyright maybe because it was printed during socialism when nobody cares about copyright.

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[natty dread]

Well, you need to be sure. That you think "no one cares about the copyright" isn't enough, you need to find out if the map is copyrighted or not. If it's in the public domain, or has a license that allows use for any purpose, then it's ok to use. Otherwise, not.

[Oneyed]

Well, you need to be sure. That you think "no one cares about the copyright" isn't enough, you need to find out if the map is copyrighted or not. If it's in the public domain, or has a license that allows use for any purpose, then it's ok to use. Otherwise, not.

I wrote mail them, so we will see...

let´s talk about gameplay and graphics. this version is without copyright problems
[bigimg]http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

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[isaiah40]

I like this one better as it doesn't look so cluttered. Much cleaner and readable!!

[Oneyed]

I like this one better as it doesn't look so cluttered. Much cleaner and readable!!

thanks isaiah40.

here are ones more both versions of map. with which one will be better to continue?

old paper background. version 2.
[bigimg]http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

this version 1 (original) has as background old wall map. I´ve asked at site where I downloaded background (they sale this map) if I can use it. the answer is yes, this map old about 30 years.
[bigimg]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/388/csfr3.png[/bigimg]

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[bryguy]

Second. It would look better though with the addition of textures.

[isaiah40]

this version 1 (original) has as background old wall map. I´ve asked at site where I downloaded background (they sale this map) if I can use it. the answer is yes, this map old about 30 years.

Can you please a copy of that to thenobodies80 please?

[Flapcake]

old paper background. version 2.
[bigimg]http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

I like this one

[Oneyed]

Flapcake, how times go on me too

some graphic changes and czech towns changes (tips from J_Indr)
[bigimg]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

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[Oneyed]

added different CSFR coat of arms.

[bigimg]http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

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[Dukasaur]

I gotta say I love this map, and I hope you do it!

I gave a little gasp when I saw Beroun on the map; so many happy memories of my childhood! I've never seen Beroun recognised as an objective on any map, in any game whatsoever, in all my many years of wargaming!

You really have to go ahead with it!

[DoomYoshi]

The one with the authentic map background is a nice idea, but really sloppy looking. If there was a way to clean it up, it would be nicer.

[Oneyed]

I gotta say I love this map, and I hope you do it!

I will do everything what I am able to finish it. promise

I gave a little gasp when I saw Beroun on the map; so many happy memories of my childhood!

holidays?

I've never seen Beroun recognised as an objective on any map, in any game whatsoever, in all my many years of wargaming!

did you saw any map of Czech republic (or Czechoslovakia) before?

You really have to go ahead with it!

I´m glad that you like this map

The one with the authentic map background is a nice idea, but really sloppy looking.

will see, there would be any copyright problems with these old map.

If there was a way to clean it up, it would be nicer.

maybe I can reduce text on it. this should be a challenge for graphic masters, I will need any tips...

thanks guys for interest and inputs.

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[Oneyed]

ok. it seems that decision is to go with this background. I a little change gameplay, now there are two rules. the diference in bonus for holding Towns.
all opinions are welcome

version 1
[bigimg]http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

version 2
[bigimg]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2139/csfr5.png[/bigimg]

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[tokle]

Is it obvious to everyone where the border between Czechia and Slovakia goes? Should there not be a delineated border between the two?

[Oneyed]

good notice, tokle...

updated:
version 1
[bigimg]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4427/csfr4.png[/bigimg]

version 2
[bigimg]http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2139/csfr5.png[/bigimg]

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