Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[Phatscotty]

How dodge kingish

[Aradhus]

Does he look like a kid giving the thumbs up sign? Or giving the "f*ck you" sign. Or, are you being incredibly dishonest right now?

"Oh, just a kid, with gold grills (like all normal kids), giving the thug life f*ck the world sign(like all normal 6'2 17 year old "kids"" Yeah symm, okay...You aren't fooling anyone with your bullshit.

The word is out in America about how the media bullshitted everybody. You can stop portraying him as a toddler now.

Wait.. The kid was "giving the thug life f*ck the world sign"??! Sweet Jesus why didn't we kill him sooner. Or at least have him locked up where he belongs. Holy crap, we've even got pictures of this heinous act?! Woah. Gangsta'. f*ck guys, sorry time to go, the debate is over. Take your ball and go home. The kid looked a particular way(*cough* black *cough*), therefore he deserved to be stalked and killed.

[pimpdave]

[Phatscotty]

Does he look like a kid giving the thumbs up sign? Or giving the "f*ck you" sign. Or, are you being incredibly dishonest right now?

"Oh, just a kid, with gold grills (like all normal kids), giving the thug life f*ck the world sign(like all normal 6'2 17 year old "kids"" Yeah symm, okay...You aren't fooling anyone with your bullshit.

The word is out in America about how the media bullshitted everybody. You can stop portraying him as a toddler now.

Wait.. The kid was "giving the thug life f*ck the world sign"??! Sweet Jesus why didn't we kill him sooner. Or at least have him locked up where he belongs. Holy crap, we've even got pictures of this heinous act?! Woah. Gangsta'. f*ck guys, sorry time to go, the debate is over. Take your ball and go home. The kid looked a particular way(*cough* black *cough*), therefore he deserved to be stalked and killed.

You don't have to go that far. Just because he is not an angel does not mean he deserved to die. That's ridiculous.

He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.

[natty dread]

He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.

Yeah, because black == thug. Nice stereotyping phatso

[gradybridges]

He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.

And who was carrying the gun? Trevon had skittles and ice tea. Hardly a 40 and a blunt.

[spurgistan]

He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.

And who was carrying the gun? Trevon had skittles and ice tea. Hardly a 40 and a blunt.

Even if he had a 40 and a blunt, and was partaking of both at the same time (which, speaking from experience, is really, really hard) there's no need to escalate the situation to where you feel the need to shoot him. Especially if you're not even a real cop, not like that would make it ok.

[Phatscotty]

He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.

Yeah, because black == thug. Nice stereotyping phatso

Those are your words.

[Phatscotty]

He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.

And who was carrying the gun? Trevon had skittles and ice tea. Hardly a 40 and a blunt.

Even if he had a 40 and a blunt, and was partaking of both at the same time (which, speaking from experience, is really, really hard) there's no need to escalate the situation to where you feel the need to shoot him. Especially if you're not even a real cop, not like that would make it ok.

So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?

Nice logic

[gradybridges]

So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?

Nice logic

Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.

[patches70]

So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?

Nice logic

Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.

Are you trying to imply that it was illegal for Zimmerman to have his gun?

[Symmetry]

So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?

Nice logic

Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.

Are you trying to imply that it was illegal for Zimmerman to have his gun?

Likely he's saying that Zimmerman was looking for a fight, as indeed seems to be the case in virtually every version of the events, and indeed, seems to be what he said when he wrote "Zimmerman was looking for a fight". Apparently the part of his post you overlooked. Curious, it wasn't a long post.

[oVo]

Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?

We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.

I'm waiting for Scotty to add, "Don't bring skittles to a gunfight."

[Night Strike]

Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?

We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.

I'm waiting for Scotty to add, "Don't bring skittles to a gunfight."

People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.). And you're assuming that he's not being held accountable for killing an unarmed civilian. If he did not start the fight and his life was indeed threatened (as being pummeled into the ground would clearly indicate), then he didn't need to ask for permission to use deadly force. He would be well within his rights under the law to protect himself. There is no limitation in the law that you can only respond with the same weapon that you are being attacked with.

So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?

Nice logic

Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.

Carrying a gun is perfectly legal (as stated above). How do you know he was looking for a fight? If he started the night looking for a fight specifically looking to kill Martin, then that would be justification for a first degree murder charge. If he was just asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood, then that does not automatically indicate that he was looking for a fight.

[Juan_Bottom]

[Night Strike]

[kentington]

Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?

You say this, indirectly passing your judgment on Zimmerman. (If it is legal to carry a gun, then he doesn't need a reason.) If I were in an area where it was legal to carry, then I would. It is my right to do so.

We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.

I agree.
We cannot pass any judgements without facts. People see that he is white-mexican shooting a black kid.The kid could be holding a stuffed animal and still be the guilty party. Zimmerman could have been unarmed and still been the guilty party.
Trayvon was either guilty or innocent. Zimmerman was either guilty or innocent. They both could have been guilty.

[Phatscotty]

Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?

You say this, indirectly passing your judgment on Zimmerman. (If it is legal to carry a gun, then he doesn't need a reason.) If I were in an area where it was legal to carry, then I would. It is my right to do so.

We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.

I agree.
We cannot pass any judgements without facts. People see that he is white-mexican shooting a black kid.The kid could be holding a stuffed animal and still be the guilty party. Zimmerman could have been unarmed and still been the guilty party.
Trayvon was either guilty or innocent. Zimmerman was either guilty or innocent. They both could have been guilty.

Ovo, yes, the community was heavily riddled with crime.

[gradybridges]

People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.)

People also have the right to walk down the street and don't have to provide any justification to any cop wannabe as to why.

[Night Strike]

People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.)

People also have the right to walk down the street and don't have to provide any justification to any cop wannabe as to why.

That person also doesn't have the right to beat up the guy who asks him why he's there. And if you live in a gated community where everyone knows everyone else, then it would make sense to ask someone you don't recognize why they are there. You make it sound like Martin was walking down a sidewalk by a bunch of businesses, not in a gated community.

[gradybridges]

People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.)

People also have the right to walk down the street and don't have to provide any justification to any cop wannabe as to why.

That person also doesn't have the right to beat up the guy who asks him why he's there. And if you live in a gated community where everyone knows everyone else, then it would make sense to ask someone you don't recognize why they are there. You make it sound like Martin was walking down a sidewalk by a bunch of businesses, not in a gated community.

Zimmerman obviously didn't know everybody. Did he go door to door to everyones house explaining he is the neighborhood watch? Meeting everyone so he would actually know if someone didn't belong?

[oVo]

That person also doesn't have the right to beat up the guy who asks him why he's there.

The police report contains no dialogue between Martin and Zimmerman
and you don't know who initiated this altercation.

[Juan_Bottom]

If someone asks you why you're anywhere in public you have the right to tell them to f*ck off. Unless they're a cop. Even then it's a grey area.

[patches70]

The special prosecutor announced today that she will not put the Martin case before the Grand Jury.

What does this mean? Well, it means Zimmerman won't be charged with a capital offense, so murder 1 is virtually completely off the table as a possible charge. In Florida a Grand Jury is always used in first degree murder charges.

This goes to show that even the prosecutor knows there isn't enough evidence to pursue either murder 1 and likely murder 2 charges.

Manslaughter at best. I wonder if that will appease the mobs?

[Baron Von PWN]

The special prosecutor announced today that she will not put the Martin case before the Grand Jury.

What does this mean? Well, it means Zimmerman won't be charged with a capital offense, so murder 1 is virtually completely off the table as a possible charge. In Florida a Grand Jury is always used in first degree murder charges.

This goes to show that even the prosecutor knows there isn't enough evidence to pursue either murder 1 and likely murder 2 charges.

Manslaughter at best. I wonder if that will appease the mobs?

Well its obviously not murder 1, how could he pre meditate a murder of someone he didn't even know?

I would think the most serious charge that could feasibly be levelled against him would be murder 2. I personally feel that's what he should be charged with. If you get in a bar fight and kill someone usually that's what you'll get charged with.