Czecho Slovak Fragmentation [Quenched]

[nolefan5311]

So you won't have Brno coded as neutral then?

With 33 starting regions the amount of the initial drop will be:

2 & 3 player games - 11 per player (the only change from the 32 starting regions you had previously)
4 players - 8 per player
5 players - 6 per player
6 players - 5 per player
7 players - 4 per player
8 players - 4 per player

[Oneyed]

So you won't have Brno coded as neutral then?

no. now Praha and also Bratislava could be attacked from 5 territories each. so only capitals will be neutrals n4.

With 33 starting regions the amount of the initial drop will be:

2 & 3 player games - 11 per player (the only change from the 32 starting regions you had previously)
4 players - 8 per player
5 players - 6 per player
6 players - 5 per player
7 players - 4 per player
8 players - 4 per player

I changed railway a little and made connection in Czech republic. now each capital could be attacked from 5 territories. and only capitals wll be codded as neutrals.

I also changed bonus for Towns from +1 for 3 towns with capital to +1 for 4 towns with capital. is this better or not?

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list of neutrals and starting positions:

there are 35 territories. 2 capitals (Praha and Bratislava) will start allways as neutral.

8 players game:
4 territories for each player, 3 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 1 random).
7 playes game:
4 territories for each player, 7 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 5 random).
6 playes game:
5 territories for each player, 5 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 3 random).
5 playes game:
6 territories for each player, 5 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 3 random).
4 playes game:
8 territories for each player, 3 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 1 random).
3 playes game:
11 territories for each player, 2 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, Brno).
2 playes game:
11 territories for each player, 13 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 11 random).

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[Oneyed]

I have one question:
it will not be better to do railway connection:
Brno - Bratislava to Brno - Trenčín - Bratislava?
Plzeň - Praha to Plzeň - Kladno - Praha?

because now in CR is needed to secure 2 territories to hold Kraj, but kraj StČK is needed to secure just region StČK. the same in SR, it is needed to secure 3 territories to hold Kraj, but ZSK is possible to secure 2 territories.

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[iancanton]

3 playes game:
11 territories for each player, 2 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, Brno).

if there are 3 players, then brno will not be neutral.

Brno - Bratislava to Brno - Trenčín - Bratislava?

Brno - Trenčín - Bratislava does not make sense because of the location of Trenčín. i suggest Žilina - Trenčín - Bratislava instead, which creates a real-looking railway network that has interchange stations; to hold kraj ZSK, a player will have to secure 3 territories.

Plzeň - Praha to Plzeň - Kladno - Praha?

Plzeň - Beroun - Praha is better than Plzeň - Kladno - Praha because the railway from Plzeň to Praha really does go through Beroun; to hold kraj StČK, a player will have to secure 2 territories.

http://www.cd.cz/assets/vnitrostatni-ce ... /kraje.pdf

ian.

[Oneyed]

if there are 3 players, then brno will not be neutral.

Brno will not be neutral in any game. there will be just Praha and Bratislava as n4, the rest territories will be random deployment.

i suggest Žilina - Trenčín - Bratislava instead, which creates a real-looking railway network that has interchange stations; to hold kraj ZSK, a player will have to secure 3 territories.

but then Žilina become as crossroad - it has connection to Olomouc and Poprad. Trenčín will be the third connection while all towns have two connections via railway.
what about to change town Trenčín to town Kúty and made railway Bratislava - Kúty - Brno?

Plzeň - Beroun - Praha is better than Plzeň - Kladno - Praha because the railway from Plzeň to Praha really does go through Beroun; to hold kraj StČK, a player will have to secure 2 territories.

ian.

ok.

thanks ian.

Oneyed

[iancanton]

i suggest Žilina - Trenčín - Bratislava instead, which creates a real-looking railway network that has interchange stations; to hold kraj ZSK, a player will have to secure 3 territories.

but then Žilina become as crossroad - it has connection to Olomouc and Poprad. Trenčín will be the third connection while all towns have two connections via railway.

there's nothing wrong with that, unless u want perfect symmetry.

what about to change town Trenčín to town Kúty and made railway Bratislava - Kúty - Brno?

Bratislava - Kúty - Brno is fine. Trenčín is an important town, so perhaps Komarno can disappear instead?

ian.

[Oneyed]

there's nothing wrong with that, unless u want perfect symmetry.

this is the question which I have in head this is small map without any impassables, so I think perfect symmetry would be fine. what do you think?
or maybe I could do more crossroads - Žilina, Brno, Ústí n/Labem?

Bratislava - Kúty - Brno is fine. Trenčín is an important town, so perhaps Komarno can disappear instead?

ian.

I agreed. you have good knowledge about Slovakia

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[iancanton]

Bratislava - Kúty - Brno is fine. Trenčín is an important town, so perhaps Komarno can disappear instead?

I agreed. you have good knowledge about Slovakia

u can thank DiM's map for that!

there's nothing wrong with that, unless u want perfect symmetry.

this is the question which I have in head this is small map without any impassables, so I think perfect symmetry would be fine. what do you think?

or maybe I could do more crossroads - Žilina, Brno, Ústí n/Labem?

symmetry works reasonably well on this map. simply add Kúty and remove Komarno, following which u can clean up the graphics to advance to final forge. if, during beta, we discover that holding the capital bonuses is too easy (this is unlikely), then u can add the extra railways so that more towns can attack the capitals.

ian.

[Oneyed]

u can thank DiM's map for that!

damned that he bin it...

symmetry works reasonably well on this map. simply add Kúty and remove Komarno, following which u can clean up the graphics to advance to final forge. if, during beta, we discover that holding the capital bonuses is too easy (this is unlikely), then u can add the extra railways so that more towns can attack the capitals.

ian.

ok. thanks.
btw, why you are not blue?

here are new versions of map. I did some little graphics edits and new railway connection. thanks to iancanton for big help.

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Click image to enlarge.

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[iancanton]

I also changed bonus for Towns from +1 for 3 towns with capital to +1 for 4 towns with capital.

during beta, if the capitals are unpopular, then prepare to change back to +1 for 3 towns with capital.

btw, why you are not blue?

i don't know what happened to my colour for the past few days, but i'm blue again now!

here are new versions of map. I did some little graphics edits and new railway connection. thanks to iancanton for big help.

nice to be appreciated!

ian.

[x-raider]

Development's looking good. I'm glad to see that Oneeyed is determined to make the best of this.

1. The stroke (or whatever it's called. sorry. edge?) on the region rectangles should be made heavier to fit in with the stroke/edges on the towns, railway, borders.

2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?

3. I've been finding the capitals looking a bit too rough on the pixels... Maybe get rid of the stroke/edge?

[Oneyed]

during beta, if the capitals are unpopular, then prepare to change back to +1 for 3 towns with capital.

ok.

Development's looking good. I'm glad to see that Oneeyed is determined to make the best of this.

thanks

1. The stroke (or whatever it's called. sorry. edge?) on the region rectangles should be made heavier to fit in with the stroke/edges on the towns, railway, borders.

yes.

2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?

not sure what do you think here...

3. I've been finding the capitals looking a bit too rough on the pixels... Maybe get rid of the stroke/edge?

yes.

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[koontz1973]

2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?

not sure what do you think here...

Oneyed

This is what he means.

[Oneyed]

2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?

on the borders were font bad visible, especialy on the small version so therefore I added outer glow there.

Oneyed

[koontz1973]

2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?

on the borders were font bad visible, especialy on the small version so therefore I added outer glow there.

Oneyed

Can we see a copy without the glow. You have the names elsewhere on the map without it and they are fine.

[x-raider]

Thanks for that koontz.
I'll be waiting on the update.

[Oneyed]

at the firts I would say sorry to everybody who helped me with this map, to everybody who was interested and to everybody who like it.

I will not continue on any of my maps (maybe forever), I can not work where censorship is so important and I can not hear advices from somebody who ignore my and also I can not pray for stamp.

Oneyed

[nolefan5311]

Really a shame you allowed the Hungary debate to so completely take you over Oneyed. But,

[Moved]

Per mapmakers request. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Cartography Assistants will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. Please be aware that gameplay standards may be further reviewed upon return to the Main Foundry and may be required to once again pass through GP scrutiny. Should the map be found to be deficient in any way the GP stamp may be removed.

[x-raider]

... Reactionary thread coming soon...

[Oneyed]

... Reactionary thread coming soon...

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Oneyed

[Dukasaur]

at the firts I would say sorry to everybody who helped me with this map, to everybody who was interested and to everybody who like it.

I will not continue on any of my maps (maybe forever), I can not work where censorship is so important and I can not hear advices from somebody who ignore my and also I can not pray for stamp.

Oneyed

I hope you reconsider. I want to play on this map....

[Oneyed]

region squares changes to fit with rest graphic. some little changes did too...

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smal map

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Oneyed

EDIT: changed map.

[nolefan5311]

Thanks for the update Oneyed. We'll get you moved back to the Main Foundry Workshop. Welcome back.

[Oneyed]

Thanks for the update Oneyed. We'll get you moved back to the Main Foundry Workshop. Welcome back.

thanks

Oneyed

[x-raider]

Don't want to scare you away, but you've made my day.