Dexter Mafia S2. Fires Snuffed: Endgame Town and Dexter Win

[Iron Butterfly]

just so you know there is also a jailkeeper running around

You are claiming role cop or flavor cop?

[edocsil]

just so you know there is also a jailkeeper running around

You are claiming role cop or flavor cop?

Really, just out with it vodean. The target is already painted on the back of your head, so we may as well get it out there for real. Also the Jailkeeper must have pegged me. With the kill blocked it should have been their responsibility to get me hung I don't know why they haven't attempted it yet. This however does effectively change my opinions of LSU and Saf and their night actions.

[safariguy5]

chap ...I'm not surprised that he'd vote me.

You're not surprised? Is it because I voted you yesterday? Or because before I voted you today, I said that you were the person I would vote for?

From my point of view on this day, I agree with most of what Iron Butterfly is saying. Just like yesterday, it seems to me like safariguy5 and edocsil are the ones I would vote for at this point.

I'm pretty sure that if anyone was surprised I voted for you, they need to pull their head out of their butt.

If nothing, I've been consistent in my behavior.

What good is consistency when it's consistently scummy?

Scummy only because you couldn't find anything wrong with my logic and therefore resort to trying to discredit me instead of my case.

With vodean also claiming there is some sort of jailkeeper, I think it's getting exceedingly close to a massclaim which I don't believe will help town.

However, with a busdriver, roleblocker, and now potentially a jailkeeper claim on top of some sort of investigative role, this game is looking more and more like it's NV.

So I ask again BG, is there anything in your role that you haven't told us? Because the more information out there, the less I'm believing your VT claim.

unvote

[Iron Butterfly]

Something does not seem right to me about how we are looking the game. Perhaps it just my perception of it.

The only Red we have had was a one shot BP SK. The BP suggests it is protection from a NK or even a Vig kill. From the way everyone is talking we have SKs out there, Dexter being one of them.

Being an SK is a thankless job...fun but thankless as they receive no support and need to be last man standing. With the amount of cops that have been killed and Vodean seeming to have claimed one, it suggests to me that we needed the protection.

Does anyone really believe the bad guys are all lone wolves acting alone?? Maybe I am assuming to much about how others are perceiving the game.

What would Dexters win condition be if he is not Town? Eliminating the Sks? Then what? Would he be Town Vig or third party?

We have a claimed Blocker, Busdriver, and Perhaps a cop, who says there is a jailkeeper and a VT in a pear tree.

Just thinking out loud.

[edocsil]

Yeah, but if the there are 4 SKs, millers, and people whose alignment changes on death/target it is quite possible.

[Epitaph1]

Something does not seem right to me about how we are looking the game. Perhaps it just my perception of it.

The only Red we have had was a one shot BP SK. The BP suggests it is protection from a NK or even a Vig kill. From the way everyone is talking we have SKs out there, Dexter being one of them.

Being an SK is a thankless job...fun but thankless as they receive no support and need to be last man standing. With the amount of cops that have been killed and Vodean seeming to have claimed one, it suggests to me that we needed the protection.

Does anyone really believe the bad guys are all lone wolves acting alone?? Maybe I am assuming to much about how others are perceiving the game.

What would Dexters win condition be if he is not Town? Eliminating the Sks? Then what? Would he be Town Vig or third party?

We have a claimed Blocker, Busdriver, and Perhaps a cop, who says there is a jailkeeper and a VT in a pear tree.

Just thinking out loud.

I can see Dexter acting alone but the other killer(s) having company, albeit small company given the game size.

Vodeon as some sort of a flavor cop would also explain why she was pleading with us not to lynch BG yesterday. It's interesting to have that role given that Lundy shared the same abilities though. This is starting to feel like overkill with all the roleblocking and investigative roles. But perhaps some of them are defective.

Speaking of which, it does seem more likely that this is a NV game now that we have some more claims coming in. I still think BG was being truthful with everything that happened with his claim on D1, but I'm leaning toward him having a secret role/ability. That said, I'm not ready to go off and lynch him right away because saf still strikes me as a lyncher.

fp'd

[chapcrap]

All of this talk about what could be with the characters in the season and trying to guess how strike wolf set up the game. It doesn't mean jack squat. Reading people's behaviors is what matters. Speaking of that.

chap ...I'm not surprised that he'd vote me.

You're not surprised? Is it because I voted you yesterday? Or because before I voted you today, I said that you were the person I would vote for?

From my point of view on this day, I agree with most of what Iron Butterfly is saying. Just like yesterday, it seems to me like safariguy5 and edocsil are the ones I would vote for at this point.

I'm pretty sure that if anyone was surprised I voted for you, they need to pull their head out of their butt.

If nothing, I've been consistent in my behavior.

What good is consistency when it's consistently scummy?

Scummy only because you couldn't find anything wrong with my logic and therefore resort to trying to discredit me instead of my case.

Nothing wrong with your logic?

You voted BG because you tried to play the mod and say that this wasn't a VT game. You drug people along with you and completely wasted Day 2. And you won't even acknowledge that it was a wasted day. Then you come back and vote him again immediately today. And with the information you allege you have with your role, it actually seems to clear BG, not indict him!

Then, for no reason at all, other than I was allegedly bussed, you vote me. I wasn't the only one who saw a problem with that logic. You're logic is flawed. Clearly, that's what I was attacking. Take a look at the sarcasm I used against your logic:

Fair enough. Not convinced about the VT claim, but we could have more interesting cases. I suggest revisiting it later, but for now, I will unvote vote chap due to LSU driving me and him.

Vote me, based on someone else's claim and after I say that I would vote you?

Great logic.... NOT!

And anyone who can't see that needs to take the blinders off. Safari is acting scummy all over the place.

[vodean]

im not a cop. i got jailkept last night, and i was able to communicate with the jailor... they didnt reply to my message
fp.

[Epitaph1]

im not a cop. i got jailkept last night, and i was able to communicate with the jailor... they didnt reply to my message
fp.

So, now we have:

LSU claims he bussed saf and chap

saf claims he RB'd BG
BG claims VT, so he cannot tell if RB'd
Edoc claims he was RB'd
vodeon claims jailed

[Iron Butterfly]

im not a cop. i got jailkept last night, and i was able to communicate with the jailor... they didnt reply to my message
fp.

So, now we have:

LSU claims he bussed saf and chap

saf claims he RB'd BG
BG claims VT, so he cannot tell if RB'd
Edoc claims he was RB'd
vodeon claims jailed

If he did not reply that means you did not communicate. You need to be a tad more specific.

If he/she did not communicate how do you know it was a jailkeeper?

[safariguy5]

All of this talk about what could be with the characters in the season and trying to guess how strike wolf set up the game. It doesn't mean jack squat. Reading people's behaviors is what matters. Speaking of that.

chap ...I'm not surprised that he'd vote me.

You're not surprised? Is it because I voted you yesterday? Or because before I voted you today, I said that you were the person I would vote for?

From my point of view on this day, I agree with most of what Iron Butterfly is saying. Just like yesterday, it seems to me like safariguy5 and edocsil are the ones I would vote for at this point.

I'm pretty sure that if anyone was surprised I voted for you, they need to pull their head out of their butt.

If nothing, I've been consistent in my behavior.

What good is consistency when it's consistently scummy?

Scummy only because you couldn't find anything wrong with my logic and therefore resort to trying to discredit me instead of my case.

Nothing wrong with your logic?

You voted BG because you tried to play the mod and say that this wasn't a VT game. You drug people along with you and completely wasted Day 2. And you won't even acknowledge that it was a wasted day. Then you come back and vote him again immediately today. And with the information you allege you have with your role, it actually seems to clear BG, not indict him!

Then, for no reason at all, other than I was allegedly bussed, you vote me. I wasn't the only one who saw a problem with that logic. You're logic is flawed. Clearly, that's what I was attacking. Take a look at the sarcasm I used against your logic:

Fair enough. Not convinced about the VT claim, but we could have more interesting cases. I suggest revisiting it later, but for now, I will unvote vote chap due to LSU driving me and him.

Vote me, based on someone else's claim and after I say that I would vote you?

Great logic.... NOT!

And anyone who can't see that needs to take the blinders off. Safari is acting scummy all over the place.

I'd like to hear your version of why there was only 1 kill last night. LSU brought up a good point that perhaps a SKer wouldn't kill themselves if they had their target busdriven onto themselves. It would make a lot of sense for you to target me for a kill and then frame BG for it. Then, after the mislynch, you could play the defending the town player card for cred and throw suspicion off yourself.

unvote vote chap

If I do end up dead soon, I hope everyone takes a good look at you chap. Nothing like adding credence to a case like turning up town.

[Iron Butterfly]

So tell me Saf ...all game long you two have been fighting with Chap while ignoring the rest of the game.

Chap makes several points I agree with...what strikes me Saf is that all around us we have blocked people. Edocsil has claimed to be blocked, which makes him doubt you and Chap. I have had strong doubt about edocsil as evidence by my vote. that has changed and you have crept to the top of my list.

So now we have Vodean claiming he was jail kept or blocked.

That would suggest three blocker roles on this game or one of you three is lying. Edocsil says hes blocked. Vodean says hes blocked. You say you have been blocking BG.

With Vodeans claim...you completely ignore it and continue with the OMGUS fight with Chap.

So I ask you..your the vet...you think there would be three blocking roles in the game??

[chapcrap]

So I ask you..your the vet...you think there would be three blocking roles in the game??

Saf, I don't know why there was only one kill last night. Maybe take a look at all of these blocks people are throwing around. (see above) I don't know why you're trying to say I'm framing BG. If anything, I would say my actions have leaned toward defending him.

Basically, you're just saying a bunch of WIFOM and don't have a real defense for making bad cases.

[edocsil]

Yeah, Vodean's not making sense. There can't be 3 blockers. That would just be a shit show.

[safariguy5]

So I ask you..your the vet...you think there would be three blocking roles in the game??

Saf, I don't know why there was only one kill last night. Maybe take a look at all of these blocks people are throwing around. (see above) I don't know why you're trying to say I'm framing BG. If anything, I would say my actions have leaned toward defending him.

Basically, you're just saying a bunch of WIFOM and don't have a real defense for making bad cases.

I think the original case on BG that I made yesterday was not a bad case. I understand that you don't feel that way. I however do not feel that anything productive can be made by continued disagreement.

So tell me Saf ...all game long you two have been fighting with Chap while ignoring the rest of the game.

Chap makes several points I agree with...what strikes me Saf is that all around us we have blocked people. Edocsil has claimed to be blocked, which makes him doubt you and Chap. I have had strong doubt about edocsil as evidence by my vote. that has changed and you have crept to the top of my list.

So now we have Vodean claiming he was jail kept or blocked.

That would suggest three blocker roles on this game or one of you three is lying. Edocsil says hes blocked. Vodean says hes blocked. You say you have been blocking BG.

With Vodeans claim...you completely ignore it and continue with the OMGUS fight with Chap.

So I ask you..your the vet...you think there would be three blocking roles in the game??

As for the 3 blocking roles in the game, vodean claims a jailkeeping role with some sort of mason ability blocked him. That's extremely odd.

edoc also claims that he was roleblocked. If we assume that we have a town and a mafia roleblocker, that could make some sense. But then that begs the question of whether we have a bunch of SKers or an actual mafia.

Of course, I'm going to say that I'm being truthful, take that as you will.

If we assume that we have an actual mafia, then the Day 1 SKer lynch means that we had only 1 SKer, a mafia, and Dexter is the vig. It's possible he is not an overeager vig or he was roleblocked last night, which would account for only 1 kill.

However, if we assume that we have a full blown mafia, then it's entirely possible that blocking BG doesn't mean he's innocent, it simply means he wasn't the one to carry out the kill. And claiming VT seems like an awfully convenient fake for mafia goon.

Honestly, I really think the best way to figure out for sure is to lynch BG, but I get the very strong feeling that if I push that case a third time, I'm not going to get the support. At this point, I think half of you guys have made up your mind not to believe anything I say anyways, so to answer your question IB, that is my analysis, but at this point, I highly doubt it's going to get us anywhere because I can't get enough support.

Is it "tunneling" on BG? Possibly. But quite frankly, we're not going to get anywhere without actually lynching someone. If you all really believe I'm the better lynch, then by all means, pull the rope on me. I'll even vote for myself just so town can get guaranteed information and we don't accidentally deadline no lynch or something.

unvote vote safari

[strike wolf]

Vote Count

Bgthebrain (1)-Edocsil
Edocsil (1)-Iron Butterfly
LSU
Safari (1)-Epitaph
Chap (1)-Safari
Vodean
Epitaph
Chuck
Ironbutterfly

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

I voted for saf in the post right above yours.

Would you believe I was fastposted?

Vote Count

Bgthebrain (1)-Edocsil
Edocsil (1)-Iron Butterfly
LSU
Safari (3)-Epitaph, chapcrap, Safari
Chap
Vodean
Epitaph
Chuck
Ironbutterfly

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

Listen...if your going to pull that crap why don't you just suicide your character and reveal your PM??

[edocsil]

Because you are a bullheaded idiot who is preventing any other meaningful actions?

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[edocsil]

I don't know who or what to believe so I'll vote the most annoying.

Worst case we won't have to read his crap anymore.

Vote edoc

That's funny. You see, in mafia you are supposed to have things like cases and logic. I know this is a hard one for you, but you have to try to think a little bit. It may be hard, but the rewards are worthwhile. Instead of being easily decimated by the scum you can do a touch of sleuthing and WIN THE GAME.

To the others, I apologize for going full troll, but this game is really beginning to bug me. We have a few people sitting back, and we will just continue to NL until the right people are dead at night and we can progress.

Unvote vote Vodean

Mentor pair is obvious, and best lead possible. I will force a full claim out of him if possible.

[Iron Butterfly]

I don't know who or what to believe so I'll vote the most annoying.

Worst case we won't have to read his crap anymore.

Vote edoc

That's funny. You see, in mafia you are supposed to have things like cases and logic. I know this is a hard one for you, but you have to try to think a little bit. It may be hard, but the rewards are worthwhile. Instead of being easily decimated by the scum you can do a touch of sleuthing and WIN THE GAME.

To the others, I apologize for going full troll, but this game is really beginning to bug me. We have a few people sitting back, and we will just continue to NL until the right people are dead at night and we can progress.

Unvote vote Vodean

Mentor pair is obvious, and best lead possible. I will force a full claim out of him if possible.

You cant force anything if people don't follow along or you have nothing to present. If you don't believe him fine but follow your own advice/sarcastic wit.

This is the thing about Vodeans claim. I believe he was blocked. You can second guess him all you want but the mason part is the last thing I would add to the claim.

How would one use the mason function safely if you have no idea who is on the other end? To what end would it be used this game?

You are asking Vodean to claim his role while in my book he has been forthcoming with info. My only problem with him, and it is a problem is his lack of posting or clarity.

Someone also brought up the point of maybe there is only one sk and we do have a mafia. How would that explain the SK being mafia red? Why was he mafia red. Maybe the reason we have so many cops and blockers is that Mafia Red SK could communicate with his team? red tells me more then one AND Mafia.

What I need from Vodean is HOW he knows the person who blocked him is a jail keeper?? Seeing how he has volunteered this information he needs to be a bit more vocal in this game. I would like to know his thoughts on the matter.

[Epitaph1]

Based on the claims we have, I cannot tell what exactly happened last night. I suspect that someone is not being truthful about what happened last night, but I cannot say who it is yet. We seem to be creeping towards a mass claim, but I agree with saf that it is not in our best interest to mass claim yet, especially with a potential 2 NKs tonight.

Going along with IB's questions about the jailkeeper, I don't understand how the game mechanics would even allow a jailkeeper to communicate with his target. We know there is a busdriver based on the N1 scene and (apparently) at least one roleblocker based on 2 different claims, so it seems like by the time the mod would figure out exactly whom, if anyone, was jailed, it would be time to start the day. Also, vodeon says that she doesn't know the identity, so I presume her message to her captor had to go through the mod, right?

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[safariguy5]

I don't know who or what to believe so I'll vote the most annoying.

Worst case we won't have to read his crap anymore.

Vote edoc

That's funny. You see, in mafia you are supposed to have things like cases and logic. I know this is a hard one for you, but you have to try to think a little bit. It may be hard, but the rewards are worthwhile. Instead of being easily decimated by the scum you can do a touch of sleuthing and WIN THE GAME.

To the others, I apologize for going full troll, but this game is really beginning to bug me. We have a few people sitting back, and we will just continue to NL until the right people are dead at night and we can progress.

Unvote vote Vodean

Mentor pair is obvious, and best lead possible. I will force a full claim out of him if possible.

You cant force anything if people don't follow along or you have nothing to present. If you don't believe him fine but follow your own advice/sarcastic wit.

This is the thing about Vodeans claim. I believe he was blocked. You can second guess him all you want but the mason part is the last thing I would add to the claim.

How would one use the mason function safely if you have no idea who is on the other end? To what end would it be used this game?

You are asking Vodean to claim his role while in my book he has been forthcoming with info. My only problem with him, and it is a problem is his lack of posting or clarity.

Someone also brought up the point of maybe there is only one sk and we do have a mafia. How would that explain the SK being mafia red? Why was he mafia red. Maybe the reason we have so many cops and blockers is that Mafia Red SK could communicate with his team? red tells me more then one AND Mafia.

What I need from Vodean is HOW he knows the person who blocked him is a jail keeper?? Seeing how he has volunteered this information he needs to be a bit more vocal in this game. I would like to know his thoughts on the matter.

Remember that red for mafia and blue for town is not a hard and fast rule. The role is much more important than role color.

[Iron Butterfly]

That makes things more clear game wise.