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Evolution does not believe in chance random processes being the only thing that affects the survival of any given gene in the gene pool. The formation of genes has an element of random-ness to it when viewed from a population level, a bit like what you ate for dinner last night would appear to be fairly random if viewed as part of statistics about what everyone in your area ate, but if we knew you and knew your habits, your favourite foods, your social calendar, etc we may be able to predict with some accuracy what you would eat for dinner. Similarly, combining genes is just advanced chemistry, and assuming we had enough information we could predict the probabilities of various different results.Its only evolutionist that believe in chance random processes
chang50 wrote:Gweedo you've copied and pasted an article when a simple link would have sufficed,I can tell 'cos the spelling,grammar and punctuation are correct.
The article whilst interesting is a critique of evolution and does not present evidence for the existence of god(s) at all.Everything it claims could be true and it would not advance that case one iota.
It's just another example of erroneously conflating evolution and atheism..
I keep seeing this one thrown out there too.If you are looking for 'Evidence of God' you will find it.
''Evidence for God'' (a closed mind..evidence for argument sake only) is of no particular use...
crispybits wrote:I keep seeing this one thrown out there too.If you are looking for 'Evidence of God' you will find it.
''Evidence for God'' (a closed mind..evidence for argument sake only) is of no particular use...
If you train your mind to see what you want it to see, then yes you will find "evidence" for God everywhere. You will find it in the fact that those traffic lights were green when you were late for work. You'll find it in the fact your kid got an A at school. You'll find it in the beauty of a sunset. You won't be able to do anything without finding some sort of divine providence getting involved.
What atheists are asking for when we ask for evidence is "something which can only be explained by God". Those traffic lights being green could be coincidence. Your kid worked damn hard for that A. That sunset looks beautiful whether you believe in God or not, our brains are wired in such a way that no matter what your religious beliefs that sunset was beautiful.
Can you name something that can only be explained by divine influence? All of these things that have other explanations that you credit God for, well they have alternative explanations. There is no need to credit God for any of them because we can view the cause and effect leading up to them and say "this is why that happened". What is there that can be shown that defies all alternative explanations that could only have come from a divine being?
crispybits wrote:What is there that can be shown that defies all alternative explanations that could only have come from a divine being?


Alas it remains an incredibly stubborn idea to eradicate,we hear about the evolutionary 'ladder' regularly in the media when the branches of a tree would be a better illustration.I think human conceit will always mistakenly place our species at an imaginary apex of an imaginary ladder.TA1LGUNN3R wrote:There is no "less" or "more" evolved species, including Homo sapiens sapiens.
And humans as a whole are pretty neotenous.
-TG
Read what Douglas Adams said about dolphins.mrswdk wrote:Humans are obviously more evolved than other animals. I don't see any hedgehogs inventing smart phones, pondering the meaning of life or even clutching pens between their opposable thumbs.
If you take a hedgehog born today and a human born today, they both have inherited the same number of years of selective pressures (actually, to be more exact, a hedgehog has more because of a shorter lifespan, and therefore more chances of mutations through the lineage).mrswdk wrote:Humans are obviously more evolved than other animals. I don't see any hedgehogs inventing smart phones, pondering the meaning of life or even clutching pens between their opposable thumbs.
The 'road pancake' niche?TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Hedgehogs fit their niche pretty well
You're skipping ahead of yourself a bit here. You can't go (1) DNA is a language (Conclusion) God. We need to see your working. Also you seem to be defining God here as "life" which is bio-pantheism not christianity.Gweeedo wrote:Not Exactly.
DNA Is a language system in and of itself (life). God created man in his own image...All who know God have been here from the beginning. Life is the Creator, the creator is life.
The language that is there enables the DNA to make the language that reads the DNA to make the language.
It has all got to be there or it will not work.
From a perspective of those who believe in evolution; you got to say matter by itself actually produce a language system and had to produce information.
What you observe is exactly the opposite of what evolutionist require.
It's not evidence of anything. Even if we ignored the problems with your position so far and said that we agree with what you're saying about DNA being a language and it was created by a mind, it still tells us precisely nothing about that mind. Yeah sure it could be the christian God, but it could equally be Zeus or Thor or Allah or Ajbit (one of the Mayan creator Gods) or aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings or any one of a million others things.Gweeedo wrote:I understand this might not be the information you were looking for.
But to those who might believe man evolved from apes...it might give doubt.
I thought this was very interesting. It is not my life nor my idea, as proof of Gods existence.
For large parts of history people thought that some really weird things were true. People have also died for things that we now know are just plain untrue. Think of all the people that have followed all the now dead religions and died in the name of those Gods. Does that prove that Thor and Zeus are real too? Just because there have been a lot of people in history who thought something was true has absolutely no bearing on whether that thing is actually true. Stating something as irrefutable doesn't make it so...Gweeedo wrote:History might be the proof you need.
For thousands of years people have been fighting, worshiping, living, dying in the name of GOD.
Maybe the actions and beliefs of the patriarchs (all who believe) of the Bible, brought about the incarnation (the word became flesh) of God.
History is all the proof I need...irrefutable.
If you're now defining God as "massive American logistical support including shipping in large numbers of tanks, guns, etc" than yeah you're correct. Unfortunately I don't think I've ever heard of God being defined that way... Also worth noting is that the Americans did this because Israel was basically threatening to nuke their enemies and the americans didn't want a nuclear war being started.Gweeedo wrote:Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.
That's a pretty big statement. I wouldn't believe if confronted with God himself. f*ck off! You cannot tell me what I would or would not believe or under what conditions.Gweeedo wrote:It is not you who get to choose, it is God who chooses you.
No reason for God having to prove himself to you.
If God came down today and showed himself to you...tomorrow you would not believe.
if you find yourself standing with the goats, when in Heaven, you will know you are in trouble...if you see me standing next to you, don't make a sound...Bahhh
Gweeedo wrote: Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.

lol, He has always had a love hate relationship, they are still his Chosen people...the reason being; that all others would have them wiped from existence.notyou2 wrote:Gweeedo wrote: Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.
Boy God sure is indecisive. He went from hating Jews in 1943 to loving Jews in 1973. 30 years is but a mere blink of an eye to God. Do you think he is really that indecisive? Can you give a different reason for his fickleness?