Religion vs Homosexuality

[jgordon1111]

Player, please show me where I once stated that I didn't beieve in the alighty creator, you can't because I didn't. My disagreement with what you were saying is heresay with no proof to back it up,how un-christian of you to say that.

[PLAYER57832]

Player, please show me where I once stated that I didn't beieve in the alighty creator, you can't because I didn't. My disagreement with what you were saying is heresay with no proof to back it up,how un-christian of you to say that.

I don't believe I said anything about a creator. You don't believe the Christ story....and somehow have confused that with verified fact.

I don't say that my beliefs are verified facts. I do say that parts of the story are supported by evidence, some other parts are even fact and that your claim these are all just disproven fiction is false.

You seem think its perfectly OK to insult anyone with a specific religion, but then want to take offense if we say your beliefs have no more grounding than ours. Pretty sad, that.

[jimboston]

first point of fact, the bible,koran or whatever text you follow wasn't written by any actual wittness of any of the events spoken of therein.

The New Testament was written largely by witnesses. Parts of the Old Testament were as well.

Most Theologians don't believe the Gospels where actually written by Mathew, Mark, Luke or John.
Rather they were verbally handed down, and then later consolidated.

Furthermore, the Bible we have today is vastly different than the various bibles early Christians used.
The Bible was edited by the Council of Nicea, under the auspices of the Roman Emperor Constantine.
Many parts were edited or completely removed.

[Bernie Sanders]

first point of fact, the bible,koran or whatever text you follow wasn't written by any actual wittness of any of the events spoken of therein.

The New Testament was written largely by witnesses. Parts of the Old Testament were as well.

Most Theologians don't believe the Gospels where actually written by Mathew, Mark, Luke or John.
Rather they were verbally handed down, and then later consolidated.

Furthermore, the Bible we have today is vastly different than the various bibles early Christians used.
The Bible was edited by the Council of Nicea, under the auspices of the Roman Emperor Constantine.
Many parts were edited or completely removed.

Correct

[jgordon1111]

Lmao, player wow, nice try you tactic of attacking is an indicator of your hypocrisy, you said I didn't believe in religion in a previous statement, and again when I pointed out the flaw in your statement, you disassemble , and go on the attack,AGAIN HOW VERY UN-CHRISTIAN OF YOU. And that when you are very very close to your judgement day. Do you think that you can disassemble with him and be forgiven?

[jimboston]

Lmao, player wow, nice try you tactic of attacking is an indicator of your hypocrisy, you said I didn't believe in religion in a previous statement, and again when I pointed out the flaw in your statement, you disassemble , and go on the attack,AGAIN HOW VERY UN-CHRISTIAN OF YOU. And that when you are very very close to your judgement day. Do you think that you can disassemble with him and be forgiven?

You give Player too much credit.
She can't disassemble a jigsaw puzzle.

[jimboston]

Haven't you ever heard of sex education? I've seen textbooks aimed at 11-14 year olds that dealt with STDs and methods of contraception in pretty comprehensive detail. They also dealt with grooming and how to deal with cases of sexual abuse and exploitation. If your kids don't know about this stuff then teach them. As you said yourself, children are easy to teach. Have a sensible discussion with them so that they develop a mature attitude and good habits early on.

So are you now saying Pedophilia is OK at 11?
Or you still on board with any age?

[jimboston]

He/she is a fairly smart Troll, but no where near as sophisticated as Saxi whom he/she is trying to emulate.

I made a genuine point and you guys just started spewing nonsense. I'm not your teacher, I can't be bothered to go all the way back to square one and start from the start. If you guys wanna be neanderthals that's not my business.

You like to make blanket statements like "we should all be free", and "your rights can't interfere with my rights", but you ignore the REAL WORLD... where the rights of individuals often conflict with one another.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 3#p4740463

This is why I don't bother addressing half of the things you say. You are intent on dragging the conversation round in round in circles arguing about points which I have already discussed.

What does that link have to do with anything?

[mrswdk]

Haven't you ever heard of sex education? I've seen textbooks aimed at 11-14 year olds that dealt with STDs and methods of contraception in pretty comprehensive detail. They also dealt with grooming and how to deal with cases of sexual abuse and exploitation. If your kids don't know about this stuff then teach them. As you said yourself, children are easy to teach. Have a sensible discussion with them so that they develop a mature attitude and good habits early on.

So are you now saying the right to consent is OK at 11?
Or you still on board with any age?

Still on board with any age. I think you are vastly over-estimating how many very young kids would have any interest in doing any of that sort of stuff btw.

[jimboston]

Haven't you ever heard of sex education? I've seen textbooks aimed at 11-14 year olds that dealt with STDs and methods of contraception in pretty comprehensive detail. They also dealt with grooming and how to deal with cases of sexual abuse and exploitation. If your kids don't know about this stuff then teach them. As you said yourself, children are easy to teach. Have a sensible discussion with them so that they develop a mature attitude and good habits early on.

So are you now saying the right to consent is OK at 11?
Or you still on board with any age?

Still on board with any age. I think you are vastly over-estimating how many very young kids would have any interest in doing any of that sort of stuff btw.

No.

I think none of them would.

However, I think that if legal it is likely some young children would be manipulated into believing that wanted to by freaks lie you. I believe that young children are not able to make fully informed decisions, and this belief is supported by science. You refuse to address this point of consent... how can a young child consent to something (anything) if they can't fully understand what they are consenting to.

Just answer that.

[mrswdk]

However, I think that if legal it is likely some young children would be manipulated into believing that wanted to by freaks lie you. I believe that young children are not able to make fully informed decisions, and this belief is supported by science. You refuse to address this point of consent...

1 - you are still talking about coercion and rаpe, which would not suddenly become more possible than they already are
2 - re the bolded: does one have to be gay to advocate for gay rights, or female to advocate gender equality?

how can a young child consent to something (anything) if they can't fully understand what they are consenting to.

What's there to not understand about it?

[jimboston]

However, I think that if legal it is likely some young children would be manipulated into believing that wanted to by freaks lie you. I believe that young children are not able to make fully informed decisions, and this belief is supported by science. You refuse to address this point of consent...

1 - you are still talking about coercion and rаpe, which would not suddenly become more possible than they already are
2 - re the bolded: does one have to be gay to advocate for gay rights, or female to advocate gender equality?

1 - I am talking about manipulation, which is quite different than coercion. Coercion implies force, or threat of negative consequences. This may not become more possible than it already is.

Here's one definition of manipulation... and it is essentially how I am using the word;

Manipulation is a way to covertly influence someone with indirect, deceptive, or abusive tactics. Manipulation may seem benign or even friendly or flattering, as if the person has your highest concern in mind, but in reality it's to achieve an ulterior motive. You may not realize that you’re being unconsciously intimidated.

All of us are potentially susceptible to manipulation. Children are more susceptible to it because they are not completely cognitively developed... or maybe I should say that their cognitive development is not complete (though that implies anyone is every cognitively complete - which is a whole new thread). No matter how you frame it... the fact is that because their brains are still developing; they are more susceptible to manipulation than an "adult".

This is why we don't let children make a lot of the decisions that affect them... including what's for dinner, what school to attend, who to vote for for President, etc.

Manipulation (I would argue) IS VASTLY MORE LIKELY TO OCCUR, because if successful, one of these freaks can get away with being a diddler, and have no consequences.

I may even argue that manipulation would be necessary to even get a young child interested in such freakish stuff. So it becomes a defacto result of the legalization of freakishness in your New World.

2. No. But I still think you are a freak.

how can a young child consent to something (anything) if they can't fully understand what they are consenting to.

What's there to not understand about it?

There is EVERYTHING to understand. One important item is understanding how to develop relationships. Kids are still learning how to develop basic friendships... how to interact with other people... etc.

How can you expect they can fully understand more complex, extremely emotional, relationships?

Also... go back and reread point 1. again.

Also... (unless I missed it) you ignored my point about ancient Greece.

[jimboston]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

from the Wiki article...

Geoffrey Gorer and others distinguish pederasty from pedophilia... (pedophilia) described as

"grossly pathological in all societies of which we have record."

[mrswdk]

I may even argue that manipulation would be necessary to even get a young child interested in such freakish stuff. So it becomes a defacto result of the legalization of freakishness in your New World.

2. No. But I still think you are a freak.

It is exactly this lack of emotional control that is making it so hard for you to have a reasoned debate about this.

how can a young child consent to something (anything) if they can't fully understand what they are consenting to.

What's there to not understand about it?

There is EVERYTHING to understand. One important item is understanding how to develop relationships. Kids are still learning how to develop basic friendships... how to interact with other people... etc.

How can you expect they can fully understand more complex, extremely emotional, relationships?

It's already legal for a child to have an emotional relationship with an adult. That's not what we're talking about here.

Also... (unless I missed it) you ignored my point about ancient Greece.

I don't really see the point in arguing about exactly what people did or didn't do in Ancient Greece, and in any case the Ancient Greece example wasn't mine in the first place.

[riskllama]

if you guys want to shut mrs up, just ask her if she would use this parenting style with her own kids and let them decide for themselves if they might like to be buggered by an adult...

[mrswdk]

if you guys want to shut mrs up, just ask her if she would use this parenting style with her own kids and let them decide for themselves if they might like to be buggered by an adult...

Maybe they would, I don't know.

[riskllama]

oh, I think you do...

[mrswdk]

oh, I think you do...

Got a nasty feeling you're about to tell me my hypothetical children would not like receiving anal but would inevitably be tricked into letting some old guy ram them because they're so impressionable. Starting to feel like I'm on a merry-go-round.

[riskllama]

ha, I'm starting to feel like you'd be a horrible parent.

[mrswdk]

ha, I'm starting to feel like you'd be a horrible parent.

I'll be the only good parent out there

[jimboston]

It is exactly this lack of emotional control that is making it so hard for you to have a reasoned debate about this.

I have continued to present the same point, which you have continued to ignore... and you claim I am not capable of having a reasoned debate?

You are too much.

Your inability to fully comprehend the words I type, is itself proof of my point.

If you can't understand what I say, how can you expect children to understand what they are accepting?

... just address the point I have made.
If you can't... go away.

I will not allow myself to be Trolled by you any longer.

You must have a really shitty life.

[jimboston]

ha, I'm starting to feel like you'd be a horrible parent.

I'll be the only good parent out there

... how so, by letting your 3yo kid make all his or her own decisions?

[jimboston]

if you guys want to shut mrs up, just ask her if she would use this parenting style with her own kids and let them decide for themselves if they might like to be buggered by an adult...

If mrs would answer a straight question with a straight answer...

[riskllama]

in China, maybe. in any other developed nation, shit like that gets yer ass thrown in prison. food for thought. i hope you reach them to rubber up, at least...

[mrswdk]

in China, maybe. in any other developed nation, shit like that gets yer ass thrown in prison. food for thought. i hope you reach them to rubber up, at least...

Of course! If you had read my exchange with PLAYER you would probably be able to infer that any child of mine will be educated to the full, to allow them to make informed decisions.