Ice Age Earth

[DoomYoshi]

Considering the topic is the history of the bible, it makes perfect sense.

[Metsfanmax]

Considering the topic is the history of the bible, it makes perfect sense.

No, the topic is the history of the religious views of ancient societies, and the Bible is only relevant in that discussion to the extent that it actually faithfully represents the religious views of ancient societies.

[Phatscotty]

Space, Science, And Intelligence - Feb 18, 2015

[tzor]

First is the entire concept of the static "must" of this evolution of religion story. This means that the Greek polytheism MUST turn into monotheism. Except, it didn't, it turned into Roman polytheism and then into nothingness.

First of all it didn't turn into anything, it effectively died. The Romans borrowed from the Greeks (they borrowed from everyone; the Romans were the most accepting people at the time; you could worship anyone you pleased as long as you also worshiped their gods as well) as they had from everyone else.

If there is an evolution it would be first unification. There was already an attempt to unify the Greek and Egyptian systems through Serapis,

Serapis (Σέραπις, Attic/Ionian Greek) or Sarapis (Σάραπις, Doric Greek) is a Graeco-Egyptian god. The Cult of Serapis was introduced during the 3rd century BC on the orders of Ptolemy I of Egypt[1] as a means to unify the Greeks and Egyptians in his realm. The god was depicted as Greek in appearance, but with Egyptian trappings, and combined iconography from a great many cults, signifying both abundance and resurrection. A serapeum (Greek serapeion) was any temple or religious precinct devoted to Serapis. The cultus of Serapis was spread as a matter of deliberate policy by the Ptolemaic kings, who also built an immense Serapeum in Alexandria.

However, there is evidence which implies that cult of Serapis existed before the Ptolemies came to power in Alexandria - a temple of Sarapis (or Roman Serapis) in Egypt is mentioned in 323 BC by both Plutarch (Life of Alexander, 76) and Arrian (Anabasis, VII, 26, 2). The common assertion that Ptolemy "created" the deity is derived from sources which describe him erecting a statue of Sarapis in Alexandria: this statue enriched the texture of the Sarapis conception by portraying him in both Egyptian and Greek style.[2] Though Ptolemy I may have created the cult of Sarapis and endorsed him as a patron of the Ptolemaic dynasty and Alexandria, Sarapis was a syncretistic deity derived from the worship of the Egyptian Osiris and Apis (Osiris + Apis = Oserapis/Sarapis)[3] and also gained attributes from other deities, such as chthonic powers linked to the Greek Hades and Demeter, and benevolence linked to Dionysus.

Serapis continued to increase in popularity during the Roman period, often replacing Osiris as the consort of Isis in temples outside Egypt. In 389, a Christian mob led by the Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria destroyed the Alexandrian Serapeum, but the cult survived until all forms of pagan religion were suppressed under Theodosius I in 391.

[Phatscotty]

First is the entire concept of the static "must" of this evolution of religion story. This means that the Greek polytheism MUST turn into monotheism. Except, it didn't, it turned into Roman polytheism and then into nothingness.

First of all it didn't turn into anything, it effectively died. The Romans borrowed from the Greeks (they borrowed from everyone; the Romans were the most accepting people at the time; you could worship anyone you pleased as long as you also worshiped their gods as well) as they had from everyone else.

If there is an evolution it would be first unification. There was already an attempt to unify the Greek and Egyptian systems through Serapis,

Serapis (Σέραπις, Attic/Ionian Greek) or Sarapis (Σάραπις, Doric Greek) is a Graeco-Egyptian god. The Cult of Serapis was introduced during the 3rd century BC on the orders of Ptolemy I of Egypt[1] as a means to unify the Greeks and Egyptians in his realm. The god was depicted as Greek in appearance, but with Egyptian trappings, and combined iconography from a great many cults, signifying both abundance and resurrection. A serapeum (Greek serapeion) was any temple or religious precinct devoted to Serapis. The cultus of Serapis was spread as a matter of deliberate policy by the Ptolemaic kings, who also built an immense Serapeum in Alexandria.

However, there is evidence which implies that cult of Serapis existed before the Ptolemies came to power in Alexandria - a temple of Sarapis (or Roman Serapis) in Egypt is mentioned in 323 BC by both Plutarch (Life of Alexander, 76) and Arrian (Anabasis, VII, 26, 2). The common assertion that Ptolemy "created" the deity is derived from sources which describe him erecting a statue of Sarapis in Alexandria: this statue enriched the texture of the Sarapis conception by portraying him in both Egyptian and Greek style.[2] Though Ptolemy I may have created the cult of Sarapis and endorsed him as a patron of the Ptolemaic dynasty and Alexandria, Sarapis was a syncretistic deity derived from the worship of the Egyptian Osiris and Apis (Osiris + Apis = Oserapis/Sarapis)[3] and also gained attributes from other deities, such as chthonic powers linked to the Greek Hades and Demeter, and benevolence linked to Dionysus.

Serapis continued to increase in popularity during the Roman period, often replacing Osiris as the consort of Isis in temples outside Egypt. In 389, a Christian mob led by the Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria destroyed the Alexandrian Serapeum, but the cult survived until all forms of pagan religion were suppressed under Theodosius I in 391.

Yet over 100 religions and cultures around the world have a similar stories about the exact same thing which makes the account in the Christian Bible ONE account... meaning there are still 99 other ancient sacred historical texts that aren't from the Bible. Many of the 99 also don't necessarily practice poly/monotheism or any kind of theism at all.

Yah know, if you think about it, there have been at least 5 ice ages and perhaps as many as 12 and even possibly 20. It's pretty ignorant at best and dangerously naive at worst yet certainly is anti-common sense and extremely unscientific in every sense to think the end of an ice age wouldn't be accompanied by catastrophic floods.

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

[Dukasaur]

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

I'm glad that you're wealthy and food prices rising 23 times faster than the inflation rate don't pose a problem for you. It's good that you're doing well.

I'm just a smidgen above the median, and for my family the rise in food prices has had a negative impact. We're not in any imminent danger of starvation or anything like that, but it has been enough of an impact to force budgetary readjustments in various small ways.

For those who are genuinely poor, well, I don't want to imagine what it means for them. Because I was one of them, not so many years ago, and I know how every supply shock in any food staple was like a brand new kick in the nuts.

[Phatscotty]

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

I'm glad that you're wealthy and food prices rising 23 times faster than the inflation rate don't pose a problem for you. It's good that you're doing well.

I'm just a smidgen above the median, and for my family the rise in food prices has had a negative impact. We're not in any imminent danger of starvation or anything like that, but it has been enough of an impact to force budgetary readjustments in various small ways.

For those who are genuinely poor, well, I don't want to imagine what it means for them. Because I was one of them, not so many years ago, and I know how every supply shock in any food staple was like a brand new kick in the nuts.

Hmm, interesting take. I assume your solution is to eliminate 23 out of every 24 people on the planet so that food prices never change. I'm not wealthy by any means, I'm simply thankful that the warm blooded mammals got a chance to evolve from shrews 65 million years ago and that nobody anyone here knows has starved to death.

[notyou2]

First is the entire concept of the static "must" of this evolution of religion story. This means that the Greek polytheism MUST turn into monotheism. Except, it didn't, it turned into Roman polytheism and then into nothingness.

First of all it didn't turn into anything, it effectively died. The Romans borrowed from the Greeks (they borrowed from everyone; the Romans were the most accepting people at the time; you could worship anyone you pleased as long as you also worshiped their gods as well) as they had from everyone else.

If there is an evolution it would be first unification. There was already an attempt to unify the Greek and Egyptian systems through Serapis,

Serapis (Σέραπις, Attic/Ionian Greek) or Sarapis (Σάραπις, Doric Greek) is a Graeco-Egyptian god. The Cult of Serapis was introduced during the 3rd century BC on the orders of Ptolemy I of Egypt[1] as a means to unify the Greeks and Egyptians in his realm. The god was depicted as Greek in appearance, but with Egyptian trappings, and combined iconography from a great many cults, signifying both abundance and resurrection. A serapeum (Greek serapeion) was any temple or religious precinct devoted to Serapis. The cultus of Serapis was spread as a matter of deliberate policy by the Ptolemaic kings, who also built an immense Serapeum in Alexandria.

However, there is evidence which implies that cult of Serapis existed before the Ptolemies came to power in Alexandria - a temple of Sarapis (or Roman Serapis) in Egypt is mentioned in 323 BC by both Plutarch (Life of Alexander, 76) and Arrian (Anabasis, VII, 26, 2). The common assertion that Ptolemy "created" the deity is derived from sources which describe him erecting a statue of Sarapis in Alexandria: this statue enriched the texture of the Sarapis conception by portraying him in both Egyptian and Greek style.[2] Though Ptolemy I may have created the cult of Sarapis and endorsed him as a patron of the Ptolemaic dynasty and Alexandria, Sarapis was a syncretistic deity derived from the worship of the Egyptian Osiris and Apis (Osiris + Apis = Oserapis/Sarapis)[3] and also gained attributes from other deities, such as chthonic powers linked to the Greek Hades and Demeter, and benevolence linked to Dionysus.

Serapis continued to increase in popularity during the Roman period, often replacing Osiris as the consort of Isis in temples outside Egypt. In 389, a Christian mob led by the Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria destroyed the Alexandrian Serapeum, but the cult survived until all forms of pagan religion were suppressed under Theodosius I in 391.

Why are you so fascinated with all things Roman and their propensity to adopt the religion flavour of the week?

PS: Phatty's Back!!!!!

[tzor]

Yet over 100 religions and cultures around the world have a similar stories about the exact same thing which makes the account in the Christian Bible ONE account... meaning there are still 99 other ancient sacred historical texts that aren't from the Bible. Many of the 99 also don't necessarily practice poly/monotheism or any kind of theism at all.

Here is Wikipedia's list of Flood stories ... as you can see they rarely have anything in common other than ... well water.

Yah know, if you think about it, there have been at least 5 ice ages and perhaps as many as 12 and even possibly 20. It's pretty ignorant at best and dangerously naive at worst yet certainly is anti-common sense and extremely unscientific in every sense to think the end of an ice age wouldn't be accompanied by catastrophic floods.

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

Floods are a common problem for man. There have been many flood events throughout the period of the earth. But that doesn't mean all the stories are scientifically accurate. Stories tend to become "fish stories" ... and get bigger over time ...

This shows that we would loose a lot of coastline and even all of Florida if all the ice melted, but there would still be land.


As for CO2 concentrations ... it's a good thing and a bad thing. Good for plants. Bad for coral reefs.

[warmonger1981]

I love esoteric history. 3 min video


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F8u1EQw0OYc

[Phatscotty]

Yet over 100 religions and cultures around the world have a similar stories about the exact same thing which makes the account in the Christian Bible ONE account... meaning there are still 99 other ancient sacred historical texts that aren't from the Bible. Many of the 99 also don't necessarily practice poly/monotheism or any kind of theism at all.

Here is Wikipedia's list of Flood stories ... as you can see they rarely have anything in common other than ... well water.

Yah know, if you think about it, there have been at least 5 ice ages and perhaps as many as 12 and even possibly 20. It's pretty ignorant at best and dangerously naive at worst yet certainly is anti-common sense and extremely unscientific in every sense to think the end of an ice age wouldn't be accompanied by catastrophic floods.

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

Floods are a common problem for man. There have been many flood events throughout the period of the earth. But that doesn't mean all the stories are scientifically accurate. Stories tend to become "fish stories" ... and get bigger over time ...

No doubt. I hardly think anyone believes that orally passed down stories from pre-history are scientifically accurate. However it remains true that a great many people believe that since many such stories happen to be in sacred text books therefore all the stories are pure fiction.

[Dukasaur]

Yet over 100 religions and cultures around the world have a similar stories about the exact same thing which makes the account in the Christian Bible ONE account... meaning there are still 99 other ancient sacred historical texts that aren't from the Bible. Many of the 99 also don't necessarily practice poly/monotheism or any kind of theism at all.

Here is Wikipedia's list of Flood stories ... as you can see they rarely have anything in common other than ... well water.

Yah know, if you think about it, there have been at least 5 ice ages and perhaps as many as 12 and even possibly 20. It's pretty ignorant at best and dangerously naive at worst yet certainly is anti-common sense and extremely unscientific in every sense to think the end of an ice age wouldn't be accompanied by catastrophic floods.

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

Floods are a common problem for man. There have been many flood events throughout the period of the earth. But that doesn't mean all the stories are scientifically accurate. Stories tend to become "fish stories" ... and get bigger over time ...

No doubt. I hardly think anyone believes that orally passed down stories from pre-history are scientifically accurate. However it remains true that a great many people believe that since many such stories happen to be in sacred text books therefore all the stories are pure fiction.

I don't know who these "great many people" are. Certainly every scholar that I've ever read accepts that most folklore descends from some kind of actual history, even if it does get much embellished and distorted along the way.

Most of the world's civilizations arose in some kind of river valley, and major floods were a life-changing experience, which would leave a traumatic scar not only in the minds of the people who lived through it, but in the lore and history of the region.

[tzor]

Just to give a basic understanding of the problem. NASA has a perfect visual to put the amount of water on the earth to perspective.

Click image to enlarge.

Explanation: How much of planet Earth is made of water? Very little, actually. Although oceans of water cover about 70 percent of Earth's surface, these oceans are shallow compared to the Earth's radius. The featured illustration shows what would happen if all of the water on or near the surface of the Earth were bunched up into a ball. The radius of this ball would be only about 700 kilometers, less than half the radius of the Earth's Moon, but slightly larger than Saturn's moon Rhea which, like many moons in our outer Solar System, is mostly water ice. How even this much water came to be on the Earth and whether any significant amount is trapped far beneath Earth's surface remain topics of research.

Let's get back to the stories. First of all, as it is pointed out, the stories are not supposed to be scientific journals. The stories aren't really supposed to be detailed historical accounts (the Noah account is a good example; lots of details are given that would have been impossible to know even from Noah's perspective in the inside of the ark). They are supposed to be stories.

That doesn't mean that the stories do not have some basis; flooding events are common in the history of the world. But merely because there existed a lumberjack it doesn't mean that Paul Bunyan is historically and scientifically accurate. But it doesn't mean it's totally false either.

[DoomYoshi]

Yet over 100 religions and cultures around the world have a similar stories about the exact same thing which makes the account in the Christian Bible ONE account... meaning there are still 99 other ancient sacred historical texts that aren't from the Bible. Many of the 99 also don't necessarily practice poly/monotheism or any kind of theism at all.

Here is Wikipedia's list of Flood stories ... as you can see they rarely have anything in common other than ... well water.

Yah know, if you think about it, there have been at least 5 ice ages and perhaps as many as 12 and even possibly 20. It's pretty ignorant at best and dangerously naive at worst yet certainly is anti-common sense and extremely unscientific in every sense to think the end of an ice age wouldn't be accompanied by catastrophic floods.

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

Floods are a common problem for man. There have been many flood events throughout the period of the earth. But that doesn't mean all the stories are scientifically accurate. Stories tend to become "fish stories" ... and get bigger over time ...

No doubt. I hardly think anyone believes that orally passed down stories from pre-history are scientifically accurate. However it remains true that a great many people believe that since many such stories happen to be in sacred text books therefore all the stories are pure fiction.

I don't know who these "great many people" are. Certainly every scholar that I've ever read accepts that most folklore descends from some kind of actual history, even if it does get much embellished and distorted along the way.

Most of the world's civilizations arose in some kind of river valley, and major floods were a life-changing experience, which would leave a traumatic scar not only in the minds of the people who lived through it, but in the lore and history of the region.

Literally every civilization arose near rivers or on the ocean. Without the mother eating fish, the baby's brain does not properly develop and you get stupid children.

[DoomYoshi]

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

I'm glad that you're wealthy and food prices rising 23 times faster than the inflation rate don't pose a problem for you. It's good that you're doing well.

I'm just a smidgen above the median, and for my family the rise in food prices has had a negative impact. We're not in any imminent danger of starvation or anything like that, but it has been enough of an impact to force budgetary readjustments in various small ways.

For those who are genuinely poor, well, I don't want to imagine what it means for them. Because I was one of them, not so many years ago, and I know how every supply shock in any food staple was like a brand new kick in the nuts.

Food prices raising are caused by two factors: legalization of marijuana is turning all the croplands to weed and immigrants being allowed to eat our dwindling food supply. Both these problems are clearly caused by Liberal Democrats (aka National Socialists). Since Liberalism is itself a byproduct of the US Armed Forces, and their commander-in-chief is a Democrat, it is doubly due to Liberal Democrats.

Can I get an amen?

[Bernie Sanders]

btw, global warming STILL hands down the best thing to ever happen to humanity ever EVER

I'm glad that you're wealthy and food prices rising 23 times faster than the inflation rate don't pose a problem for you. It's good that you're doing well.

I'm just a smidgen above the median, and for my family the rise in food prices has had a negative impact. We're not in any imminent danger of starvation or anything like that, but it has been enough of an impact to force budgetary readjustments in various small ways.

For those who are genuinely poor, well, I don't want to imagine what it means for them. Because I was one of them, not so many years ago, and I know how every supply shock in any food staple was like a brand new kick in the nuts.

Food prices raising are caused by two factors: legalization of marijuana is turning all the croplands to weed and immigrants being allowed to eat our dwindling food supply. Both these problems are clearly caused by Liberal Democrats (aka National Socialists). Since Liberalism is itself a byproduct of the US Armed Forces, and their commander-in-chief is a Democrat, it is doubly due to Liberal Democrats.

Can I get an amen?

You get a FAT F for a grade.

Blame Conservatives who don't want to teach our children sex education, make contraceptives hard to get, make abortion illegal and those pedophiles in the Catholic Church indoctrinate teachings of having lots of children.

[DoomYoshi]

Contraceptives are terrible. Children are the cornerstone of any national meat supply strategy.

[Dukasaur]

Actually I blame the Conservatives who have to drive their Cadillac Escalade to go talk to their neighbour across the street. And when a conservative takes the wife out to dinner, they can't drive in one Escalade, they each have to go in their separate Escalades to put even more filth into the air. And when a conservative takes the wife and kids out to dinner, they have to drive in four Escalades in a giant procession down the street, like a funeral procession except the funeral is for all of us.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Actually I blame the Conservatives who have to drive their Cadillac Escalade to go talk to their neighbour across the street. And when a conservative takes the wife out to dinner, they can't drive in one Escalade, they each have to go in their separate Escalades to put even more filth into the air. And when a conservative takes the wife and kids out to dinner, they have to drive in four Escalades in a giant procession down the street, like a funeral procession except the funeral is for all of us.

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, pretty much.


The guy's pretty radical. 30,000? I've always said we need to get the population back down to our Paleolithic density of 500,000 people. 30,000 sounds pretty hard-ass even to me.

Though, living in a paradise like Asimov's Solaria does come to mind.

[warmonger1981]

You don't blame the Democrats like Al Gore who flies around the world on private jets and has multiple homes consuming more energy than you put out in a lifetime. You sound bias. I thought you could see through the two sided duopoly.

[tzor]

Food prices raising are caused by two factors: legalization of marijuana is turning all the croplands to weed and immigrants being allowed to eat our dwindling food supply. Both these problems are clearly caused by Liberal Democrats (aka National Socialists). Since Liberalism is itself a byproduct of the US Armed Forces, and their commander-in-chief is a Democrat, it is doubly due to Liberal Democrats.

You get a FAT F for a grade.

Breaking NEWS: Tzor agrees with Bernie ... Film at 11.

I'm pretty sure we loose more "crop" space to ethanol production than to marijuana.

Although 40.5% of corn grain was channeled to ethanol processing in 2011, only 25% of US corn acreage was attributable to ethanol when accounting for feed co-product utilization.

SOURCE

Immigrants are a problem, but not as much to the food supply. In fact, we are having a hard time exporting our food because others don't like our standards, so there should be MORE food for everyone, not less. This means we export as much food as we import.

[Bernie Sanders]

Ethanol production from corn is a waste of energy and acreage. Producing Ethanol from sugar cane is more efficient.

With that said, Ethanol is not needed anymore in the United States. We are no longer being held hostage by OPEC.

[DoomYoshi]

You don't blame the Democrats like Al Gore who flies around the world on private jets and has multiple homes consuming more energy than you put out in a lifetime. You sound bias. I thought you could see through the two sided duopoly.

Stop trying to make everything about politics, warmonger!

[Dukasaur]

You don't blame the Democrats like Al Gore who flies around the world on private jets and has multiple homes consuming more energy than you put out in a lifetime. You sound bias. I thought you could see through the two sided duopoly.

Stop trying to make everything about politics, warmonger!

Or secret societies.