Colin Kaepernick, the new face of Nike

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[DoomYoshi]

If you look closely, you can tell it's actually just Sacha Baron Cohen.

[thegreekdog]

Nike stock is down 2.6 points today.

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Nike stock is down 2.6 points today.

It's a long term investment, like Ali being blacklisted (emphasis on the black) from sports over his politics.

[thegreekdog]

Nike stock is down 2.6 points today.

It's a long term investment, like Ali being blacklisted (emphasis on the black) from sports over his politics.

Gross... you should avoid comparing Ali to Kaepernick. As far as I know, Ali did not get a million dollar endorsement deal.

https://nesn.com/2018/09/here-are-repor ... -contract/

I do think, long-term, this was a great move by Nike.

[Symmetry]

Nike stock is down 2.6 points today.

It's a long term investment, like Ali being blacklisted (emphasis on the black) from sports over his politics.

Gross... you should avoid comparing Ali to Kaepernick. As far as I know, Ali did not get a million dollar endorsement deal.

https://nesn.com/2018/09/here-are-repor ... -contract/

I do think, long-term, this was a great move by Nike.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/06/04/news/muhammad-ali-brand-under-armour/index.html
Money (no pun intented) quote:

In 2006, Ali was paid $50 million by CKX, an entertainment and licensing firm. Through the deal, CKX received 80% of the sales generated from Ali's name and likeness.

So, yeah, turns out you can still be a professional African American sports star and earn millions in endorsements even if you can't play your sport anymore.

[DoomYoshi]

Cassius Clay wasn't African American. He was just a terrorist. There's a difference (I think, although might have to check with xeno on that one).

If I changed my name to pedophile-yoshi, you wouldn't say I'm just a cute dinosaur anymore.

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I sort of find it interesting that some people think that dodging the draft during Vietnam, is not as bad as kneeling before a game of football. At least Ali didn't pretend that he was avoiding going because of "bone spurs".

A higher ethics seems to be the commonplace between Ali and Kaepernick. It's not that they don't want to compete, but they won't do it if they aren't recognised.

The sports that they were involved in refused and blacklisted them during their prime under political pressure.

Nike made a smart business move, they sell more shoes, sure, but they their brand associated with one of the great sports stories of all time.

[thegreekdog]

Nike stock is down 2.6 points today.

It's a long term investment, like Ali being blacklisted (emphasis on the black) from sports over his politics.

Gross... you should avoid comparing Ali to Kaepernick. As far as I know, Ali did not get a million dollar endorsement deal.

https://nesn.com/2018/09/here-are-repor ... -contract/

I do think, long-term, this was a great move by Nike.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/06/04/news/muhammad-ali-brand-under-armour/index.html
Money (no pun intented) quote:

In 2006, Ali was paid $50 million by CKX, an entertainment and licensing firm. Through the deal, CKX received 80% of the sales generated from Ali's name and likeness.

I sort of find it interesting that some people think that dodging the draft during Vietnam, is not as bad as kneeling before a game of football. At least Ali didn't pretend that he was avoiding going because of "bone spurs".

A higher ethics seems to be the commonplace between Ali and Kaepernick. It's not that they don't want to compete, but they won't do it if they aren't recognised.

The sports that they were involved in refused and blacklisted them during their prime under political pressure.

Nike made a smart business move, they sell more shoes, sure, but they their brand associated with one of the great sports stories of all time.

So, yeah, turns out you can still be a professional African American sports star and earn millions in endorsements even if you can't play your sport anymore.

Um... what?

Ali was not banned from boxing in 2006. Ali/Kaepernick is not a valid comparison. No one was throwing endorsement money Ali's way in 1970. Kaepernick is making millions of dollars while sacrificing the ability to play football (assuming one thinks he's not playing football because of his stance on police brutality rather than on his (a) skills as a QB and (b) monetary contract demands). Ali was being tried by courts of law; Kaepernick is not. Ali did not decide not to compete, he was banned. Arguably Kaepernick made a decision not to play football. Ali's choices were (a) join the army and don't box and (b) don't box and maybe go to jail. Kaepernick's choices are (a) play football for a reduced contract and (b) don't play football and get a lucrative endorsement deal. Understanding you are in England, are you aware that other NFL athletes kneel or raise their fists or don't participate in the anthem ceremony?

I have no problem with what Kaepernick is doing; I have huge problem comparing his "sacrifice" (wherein he makes millions from Nike) to, say, Muhammad Ali's actual, real life sacrifice of his boxing career, his passport, and going through the court system due to his sincerely held religious beliefs.

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Ali and Kaepernick were both banned in their prime, primarily because they were black sportsmen, and they peacefully protested against a white government that forced their sport to blacklist them.

Neither of them went in to this led by the idea of future fame and fortune. They were led by their consciences. That's admirable.

For you to say that Kaepernick chose to not play for the NFL and get an endorsement deal instead, that's simply a lie, TGD. That is not admirable.

[thegreekdog]

Ali and Kaepernick were both banned in their prime, primarily because they were black sportsmen, and they peacefully protested against a white government that forced their sport to blacklist them.

Neither of them went in to this led by the idea of future fame and fortune. They were led by their consciences. That's admirable.

For you to say that Kaepernick chose to not play for the NFL and get an endorsement deal instead, that's simply a lie, TGD. That is not admirable.

Ali was not banned from boxing in 2006. Ali/Kaepernick is not a valid comparison. No one was throwing endorsement money Ali's way in 1970. Kaepernick is making millions of dollars while sacrificing the ability to play football (assuming one thinks he's not playing football because of his stance on police brutality rather than on his (a) skills as a QB and (b) monetary contract demands). Ali was being tried by courts of law; Kaepernick is not. Ali did not decide not to compete, he was banned. Arguably Kaepernick made a decision not to play football. Ali's choices were (a) join the army and don't box and (b) don't box and maybe go to jail. Kaepernick's choices are (a) play football for a reduced contract and (b) don't play football and get a lucrative endorsement deal. Understanding you are in England, are you aware that other NFL athletes kneel or raise their fists or don't participate in the anthem ceremony?

I have no problem with what Kaepernick is doing; I have huge problem comparing his "sacrifice" (wherein he makes millions from Nike) to, say, Muhammad Ali's actual, real life sacrifice of his boxing career, his passport, and going through the court system due to his sincerely held religious beliefs.

I know you tend to denigrate sincerely held religious beliefs Sym, but I think it's rather unkind and quite close-minded and bigoted of you to compare Kaepernick to Muhammad Ali.

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I know you tend to denigrate sincerely held religious beliefs Sym, but I think it's rather unkind and quite close-minded and bigoted of you to compare Kaepernick to Muhammad Ali.

Going for the ad hominem attack, TGD? Really?

Do you know Kaepernick's religion? What if it involved a sincere belief in social justice? What if he believes in social justice with or without a religious motivation? Your argument relies on him knowing that he'd get an endorsement long after he was blacklisted for peacefully protesting.

[HitRed]

Trumps edgy like Kaepernick, political like Kaepernick, fighting the government (The Deep State) like Kaepernick and might get banned like Kaepernick. Will Symm admire Trump too?

[thegreekdog]

I know you tend to denigrate sincerely held religious beliefs Sym, but I think it's rather unkind and quite close-minded and bigoted of you to compare Kaepernick to Muhammad Ali.

Going for the ad hominem attack, TGD? Really?

Do you know Kaepernick's religion? What if it involved a sincere belief in social justice? What if he believes in social justice with or without a religious motivation? Your argument relies on him knowing that he'd get an endorsement long after he was blacklisted for peacefully protesting.

Like I said, I'm fully supportive of Colin Kaepernick's protest. In fact, I've actually participated in BLM protests. I'm just disappointed and, frankly, shocked by your comparison and what that shows about you - to favorably compare an arguably washed-up football player being paid millions of dollars by a major corporation (with questionable manufacturing practices) to an in-his-prime boxer who had sincerely held religious beliefs but had to deal with potential jail time and a lack of career to support those beliefs... it's pretty disturbing Sym. And then you go and throw in the "but Ali made millions in 2006!" factoid as if that was relevant. Disturbing.

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Trumps edgy like Kaepernick and political like Kaepernick and fighting the government (The Deep State) like Kaepernick. Will Symm admire him too?

I'm literally in the thread when you posted that

Short answer: No

Long answer: Noo*

Pedantic answer: *No

[HitRed]

Trumps edgy like Kaepernick and political like Kaepernick and fighting the government (The Deep State) like Kaepernick. Will Symm admire him too?

I'm literally in the thread when you posted that

Short answer: No

Long answer: Noo*

Pedantic answer: *No

They're both fighting the system. Both are OUTSIDERS.

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I know you tend to denigrate sincerely held religious beliefs Sym, but I think it's rather unkind and quite close-minded and bigoted of you to compare Kaepernick to Muhammad Ali.

Going for the ad hominem attack, TGD? Really?

Do you know Kaepernick's religion? What if it involved a sincere belief in social justice? What if he believes in social justice with or without a religious motivation? Your argument relies on him knowing that he'd get an endorsement long after he was blacklisted for peacefully protesting.

Like I said, I'm fully supportive of Colin Kaepernick's protest. In fact, I've actually participated in BLM protests. I'm just disappointed and, frankly, shocked by your comparison and what that shows about you - to favorably compare an arguably washed-up football player being paid millions of dollars by a major corporation (with questionable manufacturing practices) to an in-his-prime boxer who had sincerely held religious beliefs but had to deal with potential jail time and a lack of career to support those beliefs... it's pretty disturbing Sym. And then you go and throw in the "but Ali made millions in 2006!" factoid as if that was relevant. Disturbing.

I'm genuinely sorry that you felt disturbed by my information, or "factoid", or whatever... My intention was only to provide factual sources, rather than to leave you disturbed by reliable facts.

I am glad that you begrudgingly acknowledged that Ali faced loss of a career though. Kaepernick isn't facing jail time (although I think we can both honestly say that the current President would love to see that), but he is facing the other half of the problem, the loss of a career.

The problems that you've come across in understanding this today really aren't so dissimilar to the problems that Ali faced. Vitriolic hatred from conservatives. The idea that African Americans can't really think for themselves (how did you put it, he was "being paid"?) so nothing they say counts. The weird allegations that he wasn't good enough, as if politics didn't play a role...

[DoomYoshi]

Colin Kaepernick is a well-known Christian, at least to Christians. There was an article a few years back comparing Tim Tebow and Kaepernick. Both are outspoken super-hardcore fundamentalist Christians. One is much treasured by the WASP community and one is admonished. I'm sure you can find the article if you look.

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Colin Kaepernick is a well-known Christian, at least to Christians. There was an article a few years back comparing Tim Tebow and Kaepernick. Both are outspoken super-hardcore fundamentalist Christians. One is much treasured by the WASP community and one is admonished. I'm sure you can find the article if you look.

Honestly, as an atheist, it didn't matter to me where his beliefs came from. I was kind of annoyed that people were suggesting that they couldn't be sincere unless they came from a religious background though. I hope this assuages some of those concerns, but I do stand by the point that social justice can be a sincere and deeply held belief regardless of race, nationality or creed.

Thanks for posting this DY.

[Dukasaur]

Trumps edgy like Kaepernick and political like Kaepernick and fighting the government (The Deep State) like Kaepernick. Will Symm admire him too?

I'm literally in the thread when you posted that

Short answer: No

Long answer: Noo*

Pedantic answer: *No

They're both fighting the system. Both are OUTSIDERS.

Lol, Trump's fighting the system like I'm an Emperor Penguin. Trump is a textbook example of how to milk the system. Put up buildings with huge taxpayer subsidies. Laugh at small contractors when they want to get paid and bet on the fact that they can't afford the legal fees to fight. Bribe state officials to look the other way while financial oversight rules for casinos are ignored and assets are back-doored. When all else fails, just declare bankruptcy and screw everybody at once. Then use your connections to start right back up again. Textbook system-milking.

[thegreekdog]

I know you tend to denigrate sincerely held religious beliefs Sym, but I think it's rather unkind and quite close-minded and bigoted of you to compare Kaepernick to Muhammad Ali.

Going for the ad hominem attack, TGD? Really?

Do you know Kaepernick's religion? What if it involved a sincere belief in social justice? What if he believes in social justice with or without a religious motivation? Your argument relies on him knowing that he'd get an endorsement long after he was blacklisted for peacefully protesting.

Like I said, I'm fully supportive of Colin Kaepernick's protest. In fact, I've actually participated in BLM protests. I'm just disappointed and, frankly, shocked by your comparison and what that shows about you - to favorably compare an arguably washed-up football player being paid millions of dollars by a major corporation (with questionable manufacturing practices) to an in-his-prime boxer who had sincerely held religious beliefs but had to deal with potential jail time and a lack of career to support those beliefs... it's pretty disturbing Sym. And then you go and throw in the "but Ali made millions in 2006!" factoid as if that was relevant. Disturbing.

I'm genuinely sorry that you felt disturbed by my information, or "factoid", or whatever... My intention was only to provide factual sources, rather than to leave you disturbed by reliable facts.

I am glad that you begrudgingly acknowledged that Ali faced loss of a career though. Kaepernick isn't facing jail time (although I think we can both honestly say that the current President would love to see that), but he is facing the other half of the problem, the loss of a career.

The problems that you've come across in understanding this today really aren't so dissimilar to the problems that Ali faced. Vitriolic hatred from conservatives. The idea that African Americans can't really think for themselves (how did you put it, he was "being paid"?) so nothing they say counts. The weird allegations that he wasn't good enough, as if politics didn't play a role...

I think you should stop painting yourself into this weird corner where you're favorably comparing these two people. If Kaepernick's protest, subsequent alleged banning by the league, and nearly immediate multimillion dollar endorsement by the largest sports apparel company in the world can stand on its own, there should be no need for you to besmirch Muhammad Ali's legacy as an actually oppressed Muslim with sincerely held religious beliefs with a comparison like this. Like I typed before, it's disturbing.

[DoomYoshi]

OK, found the article for you:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/24/colin-kaepernick-vs-tim-tebow-a-tale-of-two-christianities-on-its-knees/

There was a lot of commentary on this in Christian media.

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OK, found the article for you:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/24/colin-kaepernick-vs-tim-tebow-a-tale-of-two-christianities-on-its-knees/

There was a lot of commentary on this in Christian media.

Thanks DY.

[thegreekdog]

OK, found the article for you:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/24/colin-kaepernick-vs-tim-tebow-a-tale-of-two-christianities-on-its-knees/

There was a lot of commentary on this in Christian media.

My trolling of Sym notwithstanding, I truly do not understand the problem people have with Kaepernick's protests (other than just going along with whatever el jeffe the president says). He was at least a replacement level QB and, considering the dreck in the NFL playing QB, should have gotten a job and so the collusion issue becomes potentially relevant. However, there are plenty of other football players who take similar positions on these types of issues (e.g. Malcolm Jenkins and Chris Long on the Eagles) who have not been blackballed by the league.

[DoomYoshi]

Well, he's a runner and pocket guys are in vogue this century.