MAFIA DISCUSSION THREAD

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:49 pm

spinwizard wrote:This thread is still ammusing (Just 4 u Exile)

huh?

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:35 am

Fircoal wrote:
spinwizard wrote:This thread is still ammusing (Just 4 u Exile)

huh?

Dont matter

diddle · Post by **diddle** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:37 am

are you back for good spin?

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:47 am

spinwizard wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
spinwizard wrote:This thread is still ammusing (Just 4 u Exile)

huh?

Dont matter

well ok. I encourge everyone to take my mafia test.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:22 am

diddle wrote:are you back for good spin?

for a while anyway

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:55 pm

anyone know why ppl arent allowed to quote their roles?

NESconqueror · Post by **NESconqueror** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:57 pm

magneticgoop wrote:anyone know why ppl arent allowed to quote their roles?

I would say that it would give TOO much meat for the mafia to learn how to manipulate that role.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:59 pm

NESconqueror wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:anyone know why ppl arent allowed to quote their roles?

I would say that it would give TOO much meat for the mafia to learn how to manipulate that role.

i want answers from experienced players/mods not n00bs who are obsessed with videogames :roll:

NESconqueror · Post by **NESconqueror** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:00 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
NESconqueror wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:anyone know why ppl arent allowed to quote their roles?

I would say that it would give TOO much meat for the mafia to learn how to manipulate that role.
i want answers from experienced players/mods not n00bs who are obsessed with videogames

Knock it off magneticpoop.
If I was never meant to be here, I would be permanently IP banned from here!

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:05 pm

a lot of times when you quote your pm and give away role information, you do the town more harm than help.

1. it makes it easy to counterclaim - the information you get may be unique to your role. The fact that the other guys now know this info, reduces that advantage.

2. it forces other players to give away information when they arent ready - since some players will corroborate your story (good or bad) you force other players to give up information they may not have wanted to give away.

3. some mods really dont like it - usually no one minds role claiming as its a basic part of the game - but as a mod, when you are counting on somewhat of a lack of information for a more interesting game for your players, to give up too much info, is unfair to the other players.

4. balance is often very fragile - when you do something that forces the game to take a change, it can ruin the entire game for everyone.

5. its typically a pretty selfish act - there are very few cases where one townie is more important than the town. Sometimes you have to look at how you can best fufill the win condition and that might be best served by stepping back.

6. mafia is a game of logic (for some) - and you distort this process by giving away information your not supposed to.

these are a couple of the reasons why, there are others and they can be stated differently. Just do everyone a favor and follow the basic rules, cause they arent that hard.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:07 pm

NESconqueror wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:
NESconqueror wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:anyone know why ppl arent allowed to quote their roles?

I would say that it would give TOO much meat for the mafia to learn how to manipulate that role.
i want answers from experienced players/mods not n00bs who are obsessed with videogames

Knock it off magneticpoop.
If I was never meant to be here, I would be permanently IP banned from here!

i can only hope

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:14 pm

got tonkaed wrote:a lot of times when you quote your pm and give away role information, you do the town more harm than help.

1. it makes it easy to counterclaim - the information you get may be unique to your role. The fact that the other guys now know this info, reduces that advantage.

2. it forces other players to give away information when they arent ready - since some players will corroborate your story (good or bad) you force other players to give up information they may not have wanted to give away.

3. some mods really dont like it - usually no one minds role claiming as its a basic part of the game - but as a mod, when you are counting on somewhat of a lack of information for a more interesting game for your players, to give up too much info, is unfair to the other players.

4. balance is often very fragile - when you do something that forces the game to take a change, it can ruin the entire game for everyone.

5. its typically a pretty selfish act - there are very few cases where one townie is more important than the town. Sometimes you have to look at how you can best fufill the win condition and that might be best served by stepping back.

6. mafia is a game of logic (for some) - and you distort this process by giving away information your not supposed to.

these are a couple of the reasons why, there are others and they can be stated differently. Just do everyone a favor and follow the basic rules, cause they arent that hard.

thanks and i wasn't planning on quoting any pm's just it was in my mafia game that i was going to make it ok to quote but i guess i wont now

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:27 pm

got tonkaed wrote:a lot of times when you quote your pm and give away role information, you do the town more harm than help.

1. it makes it easy to counterclaim - the information you get may be unique to your role. The fact that the other guys now know this info, reduces that advantage.

2. it forces other players to give away information when they arent ready - since some players will corroborate your story (good or bad) you force other players to give up information they may not have wanted to give away.

3. some mods really dont like it - usually no one minds role claiming as its a basic part of the game - but as a mod, when you are counting on somewhat of a lack of information for a more interesting game for your players, to give up too much info, is unfair to the other players.

4. balance is often very fragile - when you do something that forces the game to take a change, it can ruin the entire game for everyone.

5. its typically a pretty selfish act - there are very few cases where one townie is more important than the town. Sometimes you have to look at how you can best fufill the win condition and that might be best served by stepping back.

6. mafia is a game of logic (for some) - and you distort this process by giving away information your not supposed to.

these are a couple of the reasons why, there are others and they can be stated differently. Just do everyone a favor and follow the basic rules, cause they arent that hard.

uh, no. There is a main reason that we said when this was asked long ago and was said when Mach did it before. (I read that part of the game for fun. ^_^ ) the reason is that a pm quoting is supposedly a dead give away that your roleclaim is true. IF the pm is quoted. Then it will be believed even if there are a million scum tells on you.

duday53 · Post by **duday53** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:05 pm

Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:a lot of times when you quote your pm and give away role information, you do the town more harm than help.

1. it makes it easy to counterclaim - the information you get may be unique to your role. The fact that the other guys now know this info, reduces that advantage.

2. it forces other players to give away information when they arent ready - since some players will corroborate your story (good or bad) you force other players to give up information they may not have wanted to give away.

3. some mods really dont like it - usually no one minds role claiming as its a basic part of the game - but as a mod, when you are counting on somewhat of a lack of information for a more interesting game for your players, to give up too much info, is unfair to the other players.

4. balance is often very fragile - when you do something that forces the game to take a change, it can ruin the entire game for everyone.

5. its typically a pretty selfish act - there are very few cases where one townie is more important than the town. Sometimes you have to look at how you can best fufill the win condition and that might be best served by stepping back.

6. mafia is a game of logic (for some) - and you distort this process by giving away information your not supposed to.

these are a couple of the reasons why, there are others and they can be stated differently. Just do everyone a favor and follow the basic rules, cause they arent that hard.

uh, no. There is a main reason that we said when this was asked long ago and was said when Mach did it before. (I read that part of the game for fun. ^_^ ) the reason is that a pm quoting is supposedly a dead give away that your roleclaim is true. IF the pm is quoted. Then it will be believed even if there are a million scum tells on you.

But what if you faked your quote? Or even if you copied and pasted would it still count as quoting?

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:07 pm

duday53 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:a lot of times when you quote your pm and give away role information, you do the town more harm than help.

1. it makes it easy to counterclaim - the information you get may be unique to your role. The fact that the other guys now know this info, reduces that advantage.

2. it forces other players to give away information when they arent ready - since some players will corroborate your story (good or bad) you force other players to give up information they may not have wanted to give away.

3. some mods really dont like it - usually no one minds role claiming as its a basic part of the game - but as a mod, when you are counting on somewhat of a lack of information for a more interesting game for your players, to give up too much info, is unfair to the other players.

4. balance is often very fragile - when you do something that forces the game to take a change, it can ruin the entire game for everyone.

5. its typically a pretty selfish act - there are very few cases where one townie is more important than the town. Sometimes you have to look at how you can best fufill the win condition and that might be best served by stepping back.

6. mafia is a game of logic (for some) - and you distort this process by giving away information your not supposed to.

these are a couple of the reasons why, there are others and they can be stated differently. Just do everyone a favor and follow the basic rules, cause they arent that hard.

uh, no. There is a main reason that we said when this was asked long ago and was said when Mach did it before. (I read that part of the game for fun. ^_^ ) the reason is that a pm quoting is supposedly a dead give away that your roleclaim is true. IF the pm is quoted. Then it will be believed even if there are a million scum tells on you.
But what if you faked your quote? Or even if you copied and pasted would it still count as quoting?

yes, and it matters how much.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:37 am

magneticgoop wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:a lot of times when you quote your pm and give away role information, you do the town more harm than help.

1. it makes it easy to counterclaim - the information you get may be unique to your role. The fact that the other guys now know this info, reduces that advantage.

2. it forces other players to give away information when they arent ready - since some players will corroborate your story (good or bad) you force other players to give up information they may not have wanted to give away.

3. some mods really dont like it - usually no one minds role claiming as its a basic part of the game - but as a mod, when you are counting on somewhat of a lack of information for a more interesting game for your players, to give up too much info, is unfair to the other players.

4. balance is often very fragile - when you do something that forces the game to take a change, it can ruin the entire game for everyone.

5. its typically a pretty selfish act - there are very few cases where one townie is more important than the town. Sometimes you have to look at how you can best fufill the win condition and that might be best served by stepping back.

6. mafia is a game of logic (for some) - and you distort this process by giving away information your not supposed to.

these are a couple of the reasons why, there are others and they can be stated differently. Just do everyone a favor and follow the basic rules, cause they arent that hard.
thanks and i wasn't planning on quoting any pm's just it was in my mafia game that i was going to make it ok to quote but i guess i wont now

Also u will give away your win condition and other info in your pm which can be used to find non town members, eg. scum have a different WC to town. :wink:

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:39 pm

has anybody ever hosted a Kingmaker Mafia game here?

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:47 am

dustn64 wrote:has anybody ever hosted a Kingmaker Mafia game here?

never seen one

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:51 am

Iliad wrote:
dustn64 wrote:has anybody ever hosted a Kingmaker Mafia game here?

never seen one

nope, i was thinking of doing 1 with a twist tho...watch this space!

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:52 am

dustn64 wrote:has anybody ever hosted a Kingmaker Mafia game here?

Has anybody ever hosted a pornography Mafia game here?
NO! But I am!

:lol:

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:54 am

I'm making a cool cc mafai game soon co-modding with dominationnation. It's going to be a saga! And awesome! And did I mention awesome?

NESconqueror · Post by **NESconqueror** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:40 am

Iliad wrote:I'm making a cool cc mafai game soon co-modding with dominationnation. It's going to be a saga! And awesome! And did I mention awesome?

indeed you mentioned awesome... I hope I get put in as a role (Like my natural suit of jester)

cena-rules · Post by **cena-rules** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:41 am

NESconqueror wrote:
Iliad wrote:I'm making a cool cc mafai game soon co-modding with dominationnation. It's going to be a saga! And awesome! And did I mention awesome?

indeed you mentioned awesome... I hope I get put in as a role (Like my natural suit of jester)

how about you get mafia godfather

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:41 am

NESconqueror wrote:
Iliad wrote:I'm making a cool cc mafai game soon co-modding with dominationnation. It's going to be a saga! And awesome! And did I mention awesome?

indeed you mentioned awesome... I hope I get put in as a role (Like my natural suit of jester)

With dominationnation co-modding, you think you'll get it?

NESconqueror · Post by **NESconqueror** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:42 am

Skittles! wrote:
NESconqueror wrote:
Iliad wrote:I'm making a cool cc mafai game soon co-modding with dominationnation. It's going to be a saga! And awesome! And did I mention awesome?

indeed you mentioned awesome... I hope I get put in as a role (Like my natural suit of jester)

With dominationnation co-modding, you think you'll get it?

I got this feeling that is assured with DN co modding, but I could be wronger than a fungus.