Incandenza wrote:DiM wrote:you and me start 500 3player games. probably within 2-3 days we will be the only ones remaining active since we killed the 3rd player.
then we play turns whenever we feel like it as long as we don't deadbeat for the next 6 months.
assume an average of 10 points per victim split in half that's 5 points for you and 5 for me. times 500 games that's 2500 points for each. add that to my score and i'll be conqueror and you general. easy as pie. it is abuse and no matter how hard it is people will still do it and they won't care if others will say they have no lives. generally people that brag with their scores have no lives.
I see your point, and I'm aware of the fact that you've made a hobby of ferreting out devious cheating methods (for which I commend you), but something tells me that if two people tried to run this scam, someone in authority would notice, especially given how long it would take to come to fruition. And even if those people somehow managed to keep it under wraps, the mods would definitely come running when the people's scores spiked once the six months was up.
Basically it just seems like it would be a crashingly unsubtle, brute-force hack of the scoring system, even more so than someone dumping all their points to a friend via a bunch of thrown 1v1s. And I don't think that the fact that someone can exploit a concept in a way that's certain to get them caught is a good enough reason to deem the concept unworthy... Otherwise, lack should disable the PM system, since it can so obviously be used to form secret alliances. And to prevent multis he should insist that all games are played in person.
yorkiepeter wrote:Dim, you really are being paranoid here. With the current system you could do the same in 2 days. Instead of voting for a draw after 6 months on 500 games, simply take turns in winning.
Besides, How long do you suppose you would get away with that without your victims complaining about you being a multi/secret alliance. You would be blocked from playing with each other and your score will be reset,
ok both of you say that those who would do that will be punished. why?
there's no secret alliance since the 2 players announce it in chat and there's no problem in the fact that they both click the draw button since it's been 6 months and still a draw. so they decide to push it and end the stale mate. there's absolutely no cheating involved. and the only "punishment for those players is negative feedback. it would be just another way of bending the rules in your favor just like the double turns in freestyle. it is an abuse but you can't be blamed for cheating. it would be a totally legit way of cheating.
and to yorkiepeter, yes indeed it is possible to do something similar now. but it would require more precision because deadbeating in terminator games no longer gives you the chance to not lose points.
in order to bend the rules at this moment you need 2 players of ~the same score and you need to keep stats of the wins and losses to distribute the points evenly. it is doable and it is in no way punishable right now.
what the draw button does is eliminate the need to keep stats and do calculations, it eliminates the need of both players having the same score and it offers the chance of even more points won.
think it like this. i have 2500 points. in the current system i need another player with 2500 points and i need that player to be constantly +/- 100 points from my score. assuming our victims have an average score of 1250 we'll gain 5 points per person per game.
with the draw system i can very easily get as a partner somebody with 500 points. and assuming the same 1250 average victims we would get 8 points per win. plus i don't have to worry about the score of my parner.
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