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[Juan_Bottom]

If you need to label me one way or another, just mark me down with whatever you think Ron Paul is

DONE

[Juan_Bottom]

OBAMACARE 2012

[Phatscotty]

Mostly for privacy.
I'm paying her mortgage and my sister is in college. We're all that's left. My mom is out of work, partially because she's sick. Partially because she lives in an area known as a black hole of job growth. And the mortgage costs me half my monthly earnings, so I can't participate in life a whole lot.
Obamacare is probably her best and only hope.

I need a revolution. =(

best and only hope for what though? And about privacy, then I would wonder why you even brought your mom into this...

[Phatscotty]

ROT IN HELL!!!!!!!!

[Juan_Bottom]

And about privacy, then I would wonder why you even brought your mom into this...

[Phatscotty]

dodge n weave son, dodge n weave....

tell Saul Alinksy we said hi

[Juan_Bottom]

[Woodruff]

That's PS gift. He's for the Conservatives, but somehow is against them. . . and I never know what card he's going to play. Sometimes I don't even think the card is from the right deck. We're playing Polish Poker and he passes me the old maid. He's unpredictable, mostly. But for the Conservatives.

That is easier to swallow if you could accept that I am an Independent.

I don't think there's a single individual in these fora that honestly believes you're an Independent. Some may say so because they want to back up one of their own, but I really don't believe they honestly think that. I know I certainly don't. Hell, I can't think of anything you've said in these fora that wasn't Conservobot in nature. It's like me trying to convince the fora that I'm a Catholic. In fact, I would suggest to you that I've made more statements in these fora that are in favor of Christianity than you have made that are in favor of liberal policies and I don't think anyone's mistaking me for a religious individual.

[GreecePwns]

An independent who is also actively involved in the GOP primary delegation of Minnesota?

[comic boy]

I assume he means independent of integrity or truth, that adds up.

[Woodruff]

An independent who is also actively involved in the GOP primary delegation of Minnesota?

And apparently, being paid to speak by the Tea Party.

[Woodruff]

I assume he means independent of integrity or truth, that adds up.

[Phatscotty]

An independent who is also actively involved in the GOP primary delegation of Minnesota?

the RON PAUL controlled GOP delegation of Minnesota But, as you very well know, Ron Paul is just your stereotypical neo-con Republican, and is no where near "Independent".

[Phatscotty]

An independent who is also actively involved in the GOP primary delegation of Minnesota?

And apparently, being paid to speak by the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is closer to the center than it is the right. For every 10 tea party members, 4 are Republican, 5 are independent or Libertarian, and 1 is a Democrat. But, even after all these years Woodruff, and all your talk about the Tea Party, you still don't accept it for what it is, and have not begun to try to understand either, a lot like trolling.

[john9blue]

so i take it you're voting for romney?

[Phatscotty]

It's time for Juan Bottom to learn the difference between a state program and a federal program

tehee

[spurgistan]

so i take it you're voting for romney?

Why would you want to vote for somebody who's running against his biggest legislative success?

[Phatscotty]

so i take it you're voting for romney?

Why would you want to vote for somebody who's running against his biggest legislative success?

state programs and national programs are 2 different things. and I don't want to vote for Romney. Romney is not running against romneycare, from what I have seen he is embracing and defending it.

To explain John's hilarious observation....what JB's pic presents is that Romney is the father of OBamacare, so if you like OBamacare....vote for Romney!

[Juan_Bottom]

Hilariously, that notorious flip-flopper Romney has said that he wants to repeal the parts of Obamacare that pay for Obamacare. He'd change it from a revenue-saving program into a deficit program.

Pay attention people. This isn't new and everyone made fun of him for this.

[Woodruff]

An independent who is also actively involved in the GOP primary delegation of Minnesota?

And apparently, being paid to speak by the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is closer to the center than it is the right. For every 10 tea party members, 4 are Republican, 5 are independent or Libertarian, and 1 is a Democrat. But, even after all these years Woodruff, and all your talk about the Tea Party, you still don't accept it for what it is, and have not begun to try to understand either, a lot like trolling.

I recognize the Tea Party for what it is. I was a part of the Tea Party when it started out. Then it became absorbed into the right-wing machine, and I lost interest in being a part of it. I still believe the Tea Party could have been a great thing for this nation, but I would suggest to you that trying to play like the Tea Party ISN'T now a part of the right-wing is disengenuous at best, and more likely downright dishonest.

[Night Strike]

Hilariously, that notorious flip-flopper Romney has said that he wants to repeal the parts of Obamacare that pay for Obamacare. He'd change it from a revenue-saving program into a deficit program.

Pay attention people. This isn't new and everyone made fun of him for this.

It's not saving any revenue right now anyway, so your argument is disingenuous.

I recognize the Tea Party for what it is. I was a part of the Tea Party when it started out. Then it became absorbed into the right-wing machine, and I lost interest in being a part of it. I still believe the Tea Party could have been a great thing for this nation, but I would suggest to you that trying to play like the Tea Party ISN'T now a part of the right-wing is disengenuous at best, and more likely downright dishonest.

Why wouldn't the Tea Party be right-wing? The left-wing wants to perpetually grow the federal government into an unsustainable monstrosity. Heck, we can't even sustain our current spending. It's only conservatives and libertarians who are even trying to reign in the spending. The Tea Party is a crucial part of achieving that goal.

[Juan_Bottom]

It's not saving any revenue right now anyway, so your argument is disingenuous.

I didn't say that it would save money today. But everyone except the Republican nutters acknowledge that it will save a shit-ton of money for our nation. So your argument is disingenuous. There's no debate about this here.

[Woodruff]

Hilariously, that notorious flip-flopper Romney has said that he wants to repeal the parts of Obamacare that pay for Obamacare. He'd change it from a revenue-saving program into a deficit program.

Pay attention people. This isn't new and everyone made fun of him for this.

It's not saving any revenue right now anyway, so your argument is disingenuous.

I recognize the Tea Party for what it is. I was a part of the Tea Party when it started out. Then it became absorbed into the right-wing machine, and I lost interest in being a part of it. I still believe the Tea Party could have been a great thing for this nation, but I would suggest to you that trying to play like the Tea Party ISN'T now a part of the right-wing is disengenuous at best, and more likely downright dishonest.

Why wouldn't the Tea Party be right-wing?

There is absolutely no reason for the basic Tea Party ideals to be left-wing or right-wing. None. Zero. Zilch.

Unfortunately, the Tea Party started moving into the realm of abortion and issues like that, which really had no place for them. That's when the Tea Party was absorbed by the right-wing.

The left-wing wants to perpetually grow the federal government into an unsustainable monstrosity.

That really isn't true, necessarily. Do you get all of your information from propoganda?

Heck, we can't even sustain our current spending. It's only conservatives and libertarians who are even trying to reign in the spending. The Tea Party is a crucial part of achieving that goal.

The Tea Party has become a mockery of what it started out as.

[Night Strike]

It's not saving any revenue right now anyway, so your argument is disingenuous.

I didn't say that it would save money today. But everyone except the Republican nutters acknowledge that it will save a shit-ton of money for our nation. So your argument is disingenuous. There's no debate about this here.

There's no debate about it because the claims aren't true, so people don't waste their time discussing it. This law increases federal spending on health care and does nothing to improve the system to make private insurance costs go down. The only way they even claimed that the law decreased federal spending on health care is because it forced states to pay for the Medicaid expansions, but then the Supreme Court threw out those portions.

The left-wing wants to perpetually grow the federal government into an unsustainable monstrosity.

That really isn't true, necessarily. Do you get all of your information from propoganda?

It's not propaganda when it's true. Just look at what the government is actually doing. Progressives want to expand the government in every avenue possible, no matter what the costs are. If they aren't making enough money to pay for it, they demand that "the rich" give even more money to the government to pay for it. They don't question whether a program is good or beneficial (muchless even trying to figure out if it's Constitutional) while going to enact it anyway.

[Phatscotty]

An independent who is also actively involved in the GOP primary delegation of Minnesota?

And apparently, being paid to speak by the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is closer to the center than it is the right. For every 10 tea party members, 4 are Republican, 5 are independent or Libertarian, and 1 is a Democrat. But, even after all these years Woodruff, and all your talk about the Tea Party, you still don't accept it for what it is, and have not begun to try to understand either, a lot like trolling.

I recognize the Tea Party for what it is. I was a part of the Tea Party when it started out. Then it became absorbed into the right-wing machine, and I lost interest in being a part of it. I still believe the Tea Party could have been a great thing for this nation, but I would suggest to you that trying to play like the Tea Party ISN'T now a part of the right-wing is disengenuous at best, and more likely downright dishonest.

You were part of the Tea Party.....until you bought the media bullshit about it.

The only place I can agree with you is that we are fiscally on the right, and when it comes to civil liberties we are on the left, and with the military we are in the center. That's how many independents are as well. There were more than a few instances where the Tea Party sided with the Democrats over Republicans in the last few years, and many more instances of the Republicans joining the Democrats to block the Tea Party. That doesn't seem right wing to me....