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Fail.To keep our own government from ever becoming a tyranny and enforcing it's will upon the people.

I like Australians as a whole... but not you specifically.LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:There would be less Americans dead for one thing... now i dont like americans as a whole but there are some who deserve to live
I see your location is the US... and so I will make the assumption you are a Citizen of this great nation.Frigidus wrote:I agree. The only reason you need an automatic weapon is if you intend to kill many people in a short period of time. They're worthless for hunting and home defense. Semi-automatic weapons with a large clip are pretty much the same.
I'm not a politician, so I won't worry about that. Besides, pointing out that something is law doesn't constitute an argument. Law is fallible.jimboston wrote:I see your location is the US... and so I will make the assumption you are a Citizen of this great nation.Frigidus wrote:I agree. The only reason you need an automatic weapon is if you intend to kill many people in a short period of time. They're worthless for hunting and home defense. Semi-automatic weapons with a large clip are pretty much the same.
That being the case you certainly have the right to speak your mind on our shared Constitution.
Good luck trying to get it changed.
NOT!
You are entitled to that opinion. I agree that in everyday life there is not a whole lot of reason to have an automatic weapon. But I know many people that do own them and am looking to buy one myself for 2 reasons.Frigidus wrote:I agree. The only reason you need an automatic weapon is if you intend to kill many people in a short period of time. They're worthless for hunting and home defense. Semi-automatic weapons with a large clip are pretty much the same.
It's not a "law". It is codified in the Constitution. There is a big difference.Frigidus wrote:I'm not a politician, so I won't worry about that. Besides, pointing out that something is law doesn't constitute an argument. Law is fallible.jimboston wrote:I see your location is the US... and so I will make the assumption you are a Citizen of this great nation.Frigidus wrote:I agree. The only reason you need an automatic weapon is if you intend to kill many people in a short period of time. They're worthless for hunting and home defense. Semi-automatic weapons with a large clip are pretty much the same.
That being the case you certainly have the right to speak your mind on our shared Constitution.
Good luck trying to get it changed.
NOT!
Anyways, can someone cite a responsible reason outside of killing on a large scale that you would need to own an automatic weapon.
LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:Um hey so i have many problems with the USA but here is my major issue which i would like to be open for discussion.
The Right To Bear Arms
Now i agree with the Family Guy interpretation that every American has the right to hand a pair of bear arms on there wall.
But seriously does congress not realize the outdated nature of this American Revolution war era right.
The selling of rifles for hunting is one thing but handguns, semi automatic and fully automatic weapons is just outrageous. Do Americans not take notice of the rediculously high levels of death by guns or the fact that they are flooding mexico with guns or good forbid "southerners" owning guns. In australia guns are held only by criminal and gangs and they mostly use them on other criminals with guns there is rarely hold ups with guns and there is certainly no motherfucking emos running around killing 40 people or a disgruntled postal worker. The unavialbility of guns means that kind of shit doesnt happen.
What right to americans have to own pistols and automatic weapons is what i ask you?
I'm not certain if I'm wasting my time, but let me address the above sentence with as much objectivity as I can muster. But before I do, may I recommend that you actually read the US Constitution? While it's not an easy read, the Consititution isn't written in Martian either. Plus, it's very short, even with the Bill of Rights and other amendments.LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:But seriously does congress not realize the outdated nature of this American Revolution war era right...
The right as guaranteed in the Second Amendment of the US Constitution:LikeYestrdaysJam wrote: What right to americans have to own pistols and automatic weapons is what i ask you?
Trephining wrote:The arguments that rely on "there is no need for auto or semi-auto weapons" are extremely weak in my opinion. The lack of need doesn't justify a ban.
We don't need running shoes; that doesn't mean they should be banned.
Btw, if you're looking for legitimate (and thus far unanwered) logical reasons for the right of an individual to bear arms, see the two quotes above.Chuuuuck wrote:...
1) To keep our own government from ever becoming a tyranny and enforcing it's will upon the people, and;
2) To deter any other country from ever invading our country and trying to enforce military law on our population...
You no doubt realise that this in incredibly dishonest. It's not actually the real argument and you know it.Trephining wrote:The arguments that rely on "there is no need for auto or semi-auto weapons" are extremely weak in my opinion. The lack of need doesn't justify a ban.
We don't need running shoes; that doesn't mean they should be banned.
I don't think it is as dishonest as you imply without actually stating any real argument yourself. The argument that he refers to that I hear very often is a little longer than what he said, I would more so say it is "there is no need for auto or semi-auto weapons and they are used for harm instead of good, so why have them."Snorri1234 wrote:You no doubt realise that this in incredibly dishonest. It's not actually the real argument and you know it.Trephining wrote:The arguments that rely on "there is no need for auto or semi-auto weapons" are extremely weak in my opinion. The lack of need doesn't justify a ban.
We don't need running shoes; that doesn't mean they should be banned.
Absolutely Correct.Trephining wrote:Whenever something is restricted, the only people that have that restricted item are criminals. Gun control laws don't prevent criminals from having or getting guns, therefore nobody can use that reason to justify gun laws. Also consider the deterrent effect. Criminals don't want law-abiding citizens holding guns.
Dishonest? Not the real argument? Evidently you're still clueless in regards to the real argument.Snorri1234 wrote:You no doubt realise that this in incredibly dishonest. It's not actually the real argument and you know it.Trephining wrote:The arguments that rely on "there is no need for auto or semi-auto weapons" are extremely weak in my opinion. The lack of need doesn't justify a ban.
We don't need running shoes; that doesn't mean they should be banned.
Which is an entirely different thing though. Trep compared it to running shoes, which is a silly comparison and makes "anti-gun people" look dumb.Chuuuuck wrote: I don't think it is as dishonest as you imply without actually stating any real argument yourself. The argument that he refers to that I hear very often is a little longer than what he said, I would more so say it is "there is no need for auto or semi-auto weapons and they are used for harm instead of good, so why have them."
But you can also expand upon his reasoning in stating the exact same thing about cigarettes or alcohol. Or you can expand past mere consumer products and state the same thing about legal prostitution, or the diamond industry as a whole, or major companies exporting labor to third world countries.
Now I realize all of these are not the same as having guns, but they are all things that are not NEEDED but do harm others in some sort of way to make us happy.
It was not a mere over-simplification, it skipped a vital point behind the argument.And I think you no doubt realized he knew there was a bigger picture behind his statement, but his statement still holds truth in the bigger picture, he was just over-simplifying it.