For Bern whenever he gets back

[patches70]

[Neoteny]

"in a modern context, the term “democratic socialism” really only exists to imply that there is a socialism that is democratic (good) & a socialism that abhors democracy (bad) to further the notion that those who desire seizure of the means of production (ie radicals) hate freedom. one of the biggest draws of socialism is its promotion of truly participatory, deliberative democracy as opposed to the oligarchical nature of bourgeois representative democracy, and claiming the former is actually anti-democratic serves only to preserve the latter."

Get your shit together Bernie.

[HitRed]

Love it!

[Symmetry]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

[HitRed]

The batman comic was funny!

I can laugh at my party too.

Potential life on "Red" Planet - Republicans seek statehood

[Symmetry]

The batman comic was funny!

Weirdly, Frank Miller already did this kind of stuff when he kind of went crazy nuts.

This is Frank Miller's Batman kidnapping and slapping around a kid who would become Robin:



I'm not trying to say that fake nutso batman comic panels aren't funny, just that the real thing is better.

[thegreekdog]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit the French Fourth Republic

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic

[Symmetry]

Oh no- a second rate dictionary definition post!

Seriously though, even your Webster Americanisms reconcile democracies and republics.

[thegreekdog]

Oh no- a second rate dictionary definition post!

Seriously though, even your Webster Americanisms reconcile democracies and republics.

Yes, that's what I posted it.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

"...and to the republic, for which it stands..."

[Symmetry]

Oh no- a second rate dictionary definition post!

Seriously though, even your Webster Americanisms reconcile democracies and republics.

Yes, that's what I posted it.

Of course, TGD. Glad we're agreed.

[Symmetry]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

"...and to the republic, for which it stands..."

That's from a ritual oath that people in the US force their children to say to a flag, right?

I'm kidding, I know that's true.

I don't think that makes a difference though.

[thegreekdog]

Oh no- a second rate dictionary definition post!

Seriously though, even your Webster Americanisms reconcile democracies and republics.

Yes, that's what I posted it.

Of course, TGD. Glad we're agreed.

It does happen symmetry.

[thegreekdog]

"in a modern context, the term “democratic socialism” really only exists to imply that there is a socialism that is democratic (good) & a socialism that abhors democracy (bad) to further the notion that those who desire seizure of the means of production (ie radicals) hate freedom. one of the biggest draws of socialism is its promotion of truly participatory, deliberative democracy as opposed to the oligarchical nature of bourgeois representative democracy, and claiming the former is actually anti-democratic serves only to preserve the latter."

Get your shit together Bernie.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydor ... 00b98a74ad

[Neoteny]

That first paragraph is a mess. Why anyone would look to Forbes for a reasonable discussion of socialism is beyond me. It's like seeing James Comey giving election advice to Democrats. It's not in good faith, and, even if it were, he clearly doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about.

[Dukasaur]

That first paragraph is a mess. Why anyone would look to Forbes for a reasonable discussion of socialism is beyond me. It's like seeing James Comey giving election advice to Democrats. It's not in good faith, and, even if it were, he clearly doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about.

Forbes is a good, even-handed site. But yeah, this particular article is terrible. All the same old lies conflating socialism with communism.

[Neoteny]

Even-handed is a stretch. They're, like, mid-right with an interest in maintaining the neoliberal status quo. They aren't Breitbart, but they aren't even-handed.

[thegreekdog]

That first paragraph is a mess. Why anyone would look to Forbes for a reasonable discussion of socialism is beyond me. It's like seeing James Comey giving election advice to Democrats. It's not in good faith, and, even if it were, he clearly doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about.

That first paragraph is a mess. Why anyone would look to Forbes for a reasonable discussion of socialism is beyond me. It's like seeing James Comey giving election advice to Democrats. It's not in good faith, and, even if it were, he clearly doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about.

Forbes is a good, even-handed site. But yeah, this particular article is terrible. All the same old lies conflating socialism with communism.

To be fair, the article is responding to the apparent embracing of "socialism" by a vocal group of liberals recently (in the 2016 primary and this bartender from New York with a degree in economics) and the response of conservatives ("VENEZUELA!") and then the response of liberals ("NORWAY!"). It's a silly discussion at a basic level, but we're also talking about silly politicians.

Even-handed is a stretch. They're, like, mid-right with an interest in maintaining the neoliberal status quo. They aren't Breitbart, but they aren't even-handed.

I think center-right is probably even-handed given alternatives.

[Neoteny]

I think center-right is probably even-handed given alternatives.

What a weird perspective.

[thegreekdog]

I think center-right is probably even-handed given alternatives.

What a weird perspective.

Yes, perspective is certainly the correct word to use.

[MeDeFe]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit the French Fourth Republic

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic

Rome was a republic, and you got elected by being filthy rich and/or having connections.

On second thought, that does sound like the USA. Carry on.

[thegreekdog]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit the French Fourth Republic

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic

Rome was a republic, and you got elected by being filthy rich and/or having connections.

On second thought, that does sound like the USA. Carry on.

Yeah, there was basically a whole caste of people in Rome who got elected to those positions. And I think the US tried to model its legislature on Rome.

But yes, but for various outsiders (e.g. a Tea Party Republican or a "socialist Dem" (e.g. Bernie the millionaire)) there must be connections.

[HitRed]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

Tonight San Antonio is having our bat festival Bat Loco where I'll be found sitting in a reproduction Batmobile.

[Symmetry]

If only Batman could do that to right wing idiots who argue that the US "isn't a democracy, it's a republic" too...

Tonight San Antonio is having our bat festival Bat Loco where I'll be found sitting in a reproduction Batmobile.

Awesome, thanks!

Have fun-

[KoolBak]

Yeah, keep bumping. I think Mr. Negative Pants still has 5 months to do.